Does Andy Reid devalue the importance of veteran leadership?

I agree with both of you. The older players have been around and know how to be a "star". Some, not all, of these younger players need that "older brother" figure to keep them in their place. Without Westbrook last season, I don't think Shady would have been as good. Hopefully he will remember what Brian taught him.

How true scorp - who will be the face of the Eagles now? Kolb - I think he still has to prove himself. Akers - most fans probably wouldn't even recognize the kicker. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

I agree Scorp.

I know he values veteran leadership...we have David Akers....HA!

I like Akers! He was going to be in my area signing autographs last weekend, but I had other obligations - I was bummed!

The only thing Reid values is a good donut.

dont start

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It's like divorcing your spouse because you found a richer one. You may have more money in your pocket but your heart and soul is gone.

I think you are overstating your point a little. It is not like the team let's these guys go quickly every year. Sometimes business decisions have to be made. If these guys are as capable on the leadership department as you say, then they have prepared their replacements already like their predecessors prepared them. Dawkins learned from Mike Zordich, Sheldon Learned from Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor, and Westbrook learned from Deuce Staley and Brian Mitchell. There is also the consideration for the players on the team now. most have already played at least one year in the league already. I am surprised how so many Eagles have already rallied behind Kolb. These guys truly believe in him. One more thing about older players. As players are in the league longer then tend to begin to squabble about things such as contracts and behind the scenes cause more problems than necessary, after all they know how the business works. Dawk's contract situation would have been a reoccurring one had he stayed with the Eagles. Sheldon brown was disgruntled about his contract and made private and public displays against the Eagles FO to show how upset he was (and for good reason), something the Eagles would prefer to not have their young players have to be exposed to since most of them will be coming up on big deals in their own right soon, and Brian Westbrook on this roster would have been more of a distraction than a help. Imagine Westbrook sitting on the bench (one hit away from another concussion), while his less paid understudy is getting all the carries. It would have been bad for him and the rest of the Eagles. Finally the same actions the Eagles have taken have made them competitive for the past decade now. How many of the sports talk cronies (especially the ones outside of Philly) have predicted the "window of opportunity" is closing for the Eagles? Every time one of these guys doubts the Eagles and a proven to be wrong they should be fired. I will say that of the people you mentioned only Dawkins is the greater loss. I will also say there have been times where Andy will pick up a vet to get his young teams through tough times as well. Consider Dorsey Levens, Antonio Freeman, Hough Douglass, Jeremiah Trotter, and Brian Mitchell.

Despite his reasoning for going to the vets he still went to them. If he just wanted anybody to fill the void and if he did not value leadership he would have just gone to undrafted rookies or something. Guys getting hurt, it is a part of the game so the team needs to fill those voids with somebody. He chose the veterans. As far as Dawk’s contract goes they did what you said to do. The resigned him for two years. One year he spent hurt and the next he played like a crazy man. I agree with you about Demps. They overvalued his ability, but I still say if the guys mentioned here were the leaders they are claimed to be then their backups would have been ready. Their predecessors got them ready to play. Remember age is not the end and all for leadership. Todd Herremans said the Kevin Kolb is " a natural born leader." Do you think Andy will just let Kolb walk, because he undervalues leadership?

So as a fan you have tried to discredit both my opinion and an NFL PLAYER ON THE TEAM. If fans don't know jack then what does that say about you? Leadership can come from many different levels and this team still has leaders. True they are younger, but the game is about moving forward and not about players who are no longer here.

Eazy, I agree with you about Westbrook and Sheldon Brown, it's just hard to lose so many veteran leaders at once. If you lose 3 or 4 veteran leaders over 3 or 4 seasons it not that big a deal. I don't really know who is going to step forward on the current roster and feel those voids. I'm hoping it's Stewart Bradley and Kevin Kolb. Kolb seems like he could be a firey leader.

I think this year, losing leaders on this team has been much more amplified because of a few situations. The chance to get rid of "bad" contracts because of the current state of the CBA is the major issue but not the only one. Obviously the QB situation the way it was and Westbrook's, Curtis's and Andrew's injuries all had an effect. Although when it comes down to it, it also comes back to the money. It is a business.

True, but Green if the guys you mentioned were still playing a high level they might still be here. Those contracts were all bad, because the players failed to live up to them. I agree that money is the main issue here, and the reason the Eagles cut these salaries could be to save up for then pending lockout. One the CBA is agreed upon, the Eagles may change their tactics and begin to sign free agents to improve the roster, but that could be a year or two away.

Sure EZ, they are ? And what brings you to that ridiculous conclusion. Do you have some evidence of Eagle big spending ever?

No excuses my friends. You choose your path dont try to slip thru the noose now. I cant wait to publicly humiliate you for years to come for your Mcnabb bashing. Kolb is your guy and thats the call period end of story no excuses. Mcnabb did it with this garbage lets see if Kolb can.

HellisHere what are you talking about? Nobody is even talking to you. In4mous you really need to just chill out about this Kolb/McNabb, because thing it's over. The Philadelphia Eagles decided to trade McNabb. Despite what you may think RavenEagle I was not talking to Roseman when he pulled the trigger. Is that clear enough for you to understand HollywoodEagle?

call me ebliterate please

I don't have a problem with what they did Eazy. Just giving an explanation. I wasn't thrilled with them cutting Witherspoon but they may have made up for that move.

I was not a fan of the spoon cut either. He still should be on this team.

If you are E that actually would be sad, because I think he is cool unlike you.

Andy Reid is a fraud, Luries lackey henchman looking to save his own skin. 6-10 no better book it.

How will you know? You won't be watching. Claiming to be a big fan, but crying like a pu55y when the team trades a guy you called an idiot.

I called him an idiot but you know the context when used. Its the handling of his career. so I stand by that just like when i call you an idiot for prefering kolb to Mcnabb.

Andy Reid is a fraud, Luries lackey henchman looking to save his own skin. 6-10 no better book it.

Reid devalues the run game, in game adjustments, veteran leadership, clock management, the use of challenges, drafting stud linebackers in the first two rounds of the draft,adjusting his game plan even if he's playing the same opponnet two weeks in a row, receivers over six feet tall, future HOF players who played their entire career with the team, and last but certainly not least physical activity.

It should be required that the coach shows some kind of physical care for himself. That fat slob looks like he hasnt lifted a finger in years.

Big Pun was a big slop...."but he still F##ked alot"....he aint a player though.

Andy Reid wins games. He's the most accomplished coach in team history and one of the most consistently successful coaches of the past decade. Every coach does things wrong, at least this ones gets the important things right.

But D-Mac didnt win games?

Sorry holly, I thought this post was about Andy Reid. I'll translate: Donovan McNabb wins games. He's the most accomplished quarterback in team history and one of the most consistently successful quarterbacks of the past decade... yada yada yada. Anyway, I was replying to Brinkster who made a comment about Andy Reid. That is why I made a comment about Andy Reid.

Andy wants to do it his way and lurie wants to "cash in". Look for the eagles to go 6-10 followed by another subpar season as Reid begins to make his exit followed by another rebuild sequence and a potential sale of the team. Lurie is Hollywood.

so are you going with an Austin or Witten jersey this year...ya big douche.

PR make sure you respond to all of his IDs. he might get confused.

now now public should i open up on you. Your a follower and a big idiot to boot. So hush little Jr. fan and learn from someone that has sat throughthe 5-11 seasons. lets see if you can hang for an Eagkle string of crappy seasons and Im not talking 8-8. 4-12, 5-11 ...etc. Cause thats on the horizon.

Well you won't have to worry about it will you hellisafairynamedhollywood? You will be boycotting like the piece of sh*t fan you are.

For some reason EZ you think its worng to criticize the FO. Are they immune to ridicule? All you have to do is follow the money trail and teh answers are pretty simple. They dont spend and they dont win superbowls. When they do they will compete again. This will be a joke of a season. They have nothing. But because i speak the truth doent mean I dont like the Eagles. I dont like the Owner.

hwood...you dont know me, first of all....JR? please...dont pull this veteran BS on me..your to predictable, next you will try to set up a boxing match...I would highly not recommend that either..like I said, you dont know me...wouldnt wanna have to slant your left eye with an over-hand right....son. But if your up to it, I am certain I will be at atleast two home games this year...nothin like a good tailgating. Plus pictures of you gettin three peiced on here would be priceless.

There goes the "Leave it to Beaver" superfan pulling out his measuring stick in his mommys house telling everyone who the greatest fan is even though the lil chump doesnt even have his feet wet. EZ never even set foot in the Vet. Shut up already Rasputin

Never again dumb phuck, because the VET WAS BLOWN UP!!! Perhaps you were too busy boycotting, rooting for the Cowboys, making multiple IDs, and acting like a complete douche bag to notice.

If i choose not to financially support the owner in what way does that diminish my loyalty to the Eagles. Is it a prerequisite that I dont criticize the front office, spend money on the Owner and go rah rah rah as you expect?

I recently bought my son a Westbrook shirt on clearance for $5.00 - I don't spend money on Eagles stuff because I have too many other things I need to buy. Am I boycotting them?????