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Trey:
First.
I think it is just another silly rummor.
donnyposner:
Here is my hope’s for the draft. There is a long way to go until things firm up after the combine but at this moment I would like to see this happen.
BTW- Absolutely NOT on McFadden.
Absolutely NOT on trading our 2 #1’s
22. Malcolm Kelly WR
James Hardy WR
Limas Sweed WR
Comments: This particular draft is weak in WR depth. These 3 are all mismatches and may become true #1 WRs. They have great size speed combos. They should all go in the first. Desean Jackson is overhyped and overrated.
28. Leodis Mckelvin CB
Mike Jenkins CB
Dominique Rodgers Cromartie CB
Comments: Look for Mckelvin & Jenkins to be gone but Rodgers Cromartie who had a great Senior Bowl and rising fast to be the pick. He can play both CB or FS.
2nd Round. Chris Johnson RB
Ray Rice RB
Jamaal Charles RB
Comments: One of these guys should be there late in the 2nd round. If not, there are still good backs. I am infatuated with Chris Johnson due to his 4.28 speed and WR caliber hands. An instant mismatch after going in motion to the slot. I am not sure he will be there however. Ray Rice reminds me of Emmitt Smith. Jamaal Charles has great moves and speed but seem a little fragile and may fumble. He’s still a very good back.
3rd Round. I am not ready to say. I’d much rather find a FB in the 4th but I would not be surprised if we took THE guy in the 3rd. I’d rather have another DB. I’ll be doing more research. THe 2 names to watch at FB is Peyton Hillis and Owen Smidt.
Becho:
Brandon Mcanderson from kansas is a bit undersized at the FB position but he looked great the few times I saw Kansas play this year.
Year GP Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds TD
2003 DNP - - - - - - -
2004 11 3 4 1.3 1 0 0 0
2005 12 22 102 4.6 1 3 40 0
2006 12 31 122 3.9 5 6 70 0
2007 13 190 1126 5.9 16 21 213 0
Tot 48 246 1354 5.5 23 30 223 0
he is listed at 5′10 235. he was one of the main cogs in their offense. i can see him getting some carries as well. he runs downhill and has some speed. his 40 time is 4.8 but he plays alot faster than that. he will be there in the 5th, would love to see him picked up.
Luke.:
Donny,
Do you have any speed times for those receivers? I now speeds not everything but those guys don’t look like the fastest bunch. They’ve all got very good size (especially Hardy who would be my favourite of the bunch) but if all we’re getting is size and hands for the 22nd pick I’d rather draft Jordy Nelson in the 3rd.
Limas Sweed, 6′4†212, 4.58 Forty.
06 – 46 for 801 and 12 Td’s.
07 – 19 for 306 and 3 Td’s (hampered by hand/wrist injury).
James Hardy, 6′6†220, 4.59 Forty.
06 – 51 for 722 and 10 Td’s.
07 – 79 for 1125 and 16 Td’s.
Malcolm Kelly, 6′4†218, 4.54 Forty.
06 – 62 for 993 and 10 Td’s
07 – 49 for 821 and 9 Td’s.
All these guys will cost First Round Picks.
Jordy Nelson, 6′3†215, 4.57 Forty.
06 – 39 for 547 and 1Td.
07 – 122 for 1606 and 11 Td’s.
Comments on Nelson from Senior Bowl Practices;
“Well built receiver continues to make all of the catches. Won’t be high on all teams boards because of his lack of suddenness in routes. But he has managed to get behind quicker corners downfeild.â€
“Eventually teams are going to run out of excuses not to like this guy. He’s not quick in and out of his breaks but his big body and solid hands are hard to ignore. Nelson also beat corners deep this week, as he occasionally did at KSU, despite not having elite speed.â€
I’ve seen him ranked around the 15 to 20 spot on WR lists. If I could get him in the 3rd I’d much rather use my #22 for a CB.
I agree with you on RB Chris Johnson in the 2nd though, that would be great.
Becho:
mcfadden is a bad idea but I do like the dolphin’s two second round picks. how can jerry get his hands on one or both of those? spears? carpenter?
Becho:
unless we get a good FA CB, we need to draft one at 22. behind newman and henry there is no one.
henry is wearing down and it will cost a ton to get a good corner through free agency. we need to extend newman and draft our future starter.
Luke.:
My Draft;
R1,P1 – CB, D.R. Cromartie.
R1,P2 – WR, Roy Williams (from Detroit).
R2,P1 – RB, Chris Johnson.
R3,P1 – WR, Jordy Nelson or another CB.
I’d take that anyday [Subject to wild changing as we’re still months away] 
CHARB:
Donny
I don’t like any of WR’s in the first round.
First round: Any of these guys.
RB Mendenhall
RB Stewart
RB Jones
CB Talib
CB McKelvin
CB Cromartie
CB Cason
S/CB Smith
Second round:
WR Bowman
WR Avery
WR Sweed
WR Hardy
WR Caldwell
CB Jackson
mowgli:
Becho,
It’s just a matter of whomever is the best player left on the board at our positions of interest. And Spears/Carpenter might be worth a second-rounder each, but I doubt we’ll get that.
Charb’s list above is pretty good, but like Luke mentioned, C. Johnson in the second would be great.
staubachfan:
When I heard this report on the radio it was also reported that any trade would include Marrion Barber.
buster:
I would guess that Ricky “smoke-em if you got em” Williams will be gone soon. Who wants to bet on where he’ll end up next?
AzCowboy:
It remains to be seen if Jerry Jones can get a proven WR in FA or through a trade. I believe it is an absolute MUST. Much more important than a defensive back (although that is a significant need) or a RB ( a quality RB will be available in the draft) If we are to field the aggresive offense that can get to the Super Bowl, we must have two more high quality WR’s. With those players in place, the defense will be good enough.
AzCowboy:
The other MUST is securing the LT position. I have no insight into the readiness of McQ, Free, or Marten. If our Cowboys are to weather the pass rush in the NFC East, the LT position is critical. If the young guys are not ready, Flo must be resigned.
The two most important off season needs are WR and LT.
FanSince72:
I really enjoy talking about the draft, even though it actually means nothing. But it is fun to shop.
I truly hope that JJ has the wisdom to pass on any trade ups. This draft is deep and there are no world beaters that do not have someone else close behind that can be had in later picks.
The only reason I would trade up is if we go after a stud DT or OT. RB’s are notorious for injuries. WR are notorious busts. We don’t need a QB. No CB is worth the first pick. Trading up makes no sense given the needs on this team.
I think that by staying at 22 and 28 we should find a good CB and a good WR.
Mark my words, WR’s and RB’s will fall in this draft. It is the CB’s and safeties that I am concerned about.
Squidlo97:
AZ, I agree with those 3 sentiments. I take the best WR or corner who falls to 22 and then with the 28th pick the opposite. If this Jordy guy isnt rated high or falls to 3 I just don see why we cant get him as well. We can stock up on young and fast skill positions.
sirius:
I find it a bit scary that JJ is weilding full power again. But, as Fansince72 said what we say and thnk means nothing…so I might as well have some fun with this..so here goes
Resign JJ and package him, Carp, Spears, and the Cowboys number 28 pickfor the Fin’s number one.
AzCowboy:
Squidlo
All that being said, it does not include mortgaging the francise for one player. Not much has been said about what trading up would do to the cap. There would be too much drain in both dollars and talent.
Squidlo97:
What I dont understand is why when you have a very good team that finished with the best record and has 2 well agreed upon weaknesses of CB and WR that we are talking about the trading of young talent just coming into their prime years for draft picks that wont amount to enough juice to get their replacements.(Fasano and Spears)
I feel that we will be a much better team even if we didnt have a draft. Our D will have had a full year of SOB. Did anyone else feel that we werent as agressive as the Bolts when SOB was there. Our oline will play its second season together and Romo will have another year of seasoning under his belt.
I also feel as if this playoff loss taught us alot. These were 2 heavy weights slugging it out and I cant help but think that their experience was the difference. No, we didnt play well but with more experience we could have won this one anyway. I think we pressed a little at the end.
Squidlo97:
Sirius, BP can make a much better deal than that and besides he wants mucho picks so these guys can come in and grow together.
FanSince72:
Sirius,
I like your attitude. Unfortunately, JJ pays the bills. Maybe we could promote him to owner from GM. He could be a great owner. LOL.
Squidlo97:
Im a JJ supporter and I believe he learned his lessons from the late 90s. I also trust him alittle bit in doing the right thing on draft day but Im not so sure I want him trading away multiple players for more picks or moving up or down very far. Its like your 18 year old son, you trust him to take the family truckster down to the grocery store but no way in hell do you give him the keys to the Ferrari.
Our team does not need to be rebuilt and we dont need to be giving away good players so that JJ can wheel and deal and rebuild. Lets let him get though this draft before we turn him completely loose.
Jerry can have a great draft if he grades the players well and lets the draft come to us. We are fairly young and deep. We all know where our major holes are. Lets not rebuild Rome.
If you guys have an itch similar to JJs and feel the need to make a move, trade Ellis, Kosar, R. Williams, and maybe Carp if he is a bad fit for SOBs 3-4. Leave everyone else alone. As I already said, I dont trust JJ that much.
AzCowboy:
The point about continuity is well made…both on defense and on offense. Makes resigning Flo (if possible) and Hamlin big needs. We were an ankle sprain (and maybe a failed knee) away from the Super Bowl this year. Makes additions at WR a MUST.
bulldog jeeper:
carp - i see the frustration of his lack of playing time and production. i don’t have anything against him, and he may turn into something special for another team, but if he’s not a good fit for the WP 3-4, it’s time to send him off to daddy tuna.
spears - he’s not ware, but he’s not supposed to be. he’s big, he does his job, and he is what he is - a workhorse. you don’t turn around and cut him loose when he’s producing! that would be an emotional move - not an intellectual one.
JuliusJones - after rewatching some of the games early in the season, he was actually making some really good plays early in the game. penalties killed a lot of runs, and i couldn’t stand how he always went down at first contact, but if he can be had cheap and can take a receiving back type role a la westbrook, kevin faulk, etc. he might be worth keeping around if we’d use him in that light.
ellis - tell him to shut up or pack up. but if you send him somewhere make sure it’s somewhere that he can whine as loud as he wants and never sniff a shot at a SB.
austin - bye
hurd - keep as #4/5
stanback - talent doesn’t matter if it doesn’t lead to production. show us something or go play with henson.
roy william (ours for now) - step up or step down. either get back to playing and attacking or go play with some more salvation army kids full-time and let us find somebody who can sniff a TE or WR (and stay away from horse collars)
draft
round 1 - DB, DB
round 2 - WR
round 3 and later - RB projects
FA targets - i’m not a longhorn fan, but i’d jump at a shot at roy williams (#11) or fitz.
i’m not sold on berrian - just not impressed
stay away from firesale CBs
and finally, lock hamlin up. after flo fell apart, looked hurt, and got destroyed in teh second half i’d say his command should demand a pretty penny, but i’d be surprised if his stock didn’t drop a little.
Squidlo97:
When I was making my last post something occured to me. Maybe JJ feels this team is built with the exception of CB and WR. Maybe he feels he will address those holes in FA and use all of juice to get McFadden and push us up to elite status.
Does JJ feel this team is mostly built and with 2 FAs and McFadden we are ready for a serious SB run next year.
I was a serious McFad supporter but when Cleveland won their 5th game I let go of the dream quickly. Does JJ believe in the 4 to 5 year window and wants to make a bold move now.
Ask yourselves this question. Do I believe in JJs ability to draft for long term success or do we need a difference maker now and hit the iron while its hot.
Chandus:
Squidlo:
You only need to look at last season.
Spencer.
Marten.
Stanback.
Free.
Folk.
Anderson.
Brown.
Ball.
That was a Draft with future in mind, even the guys that produced, Spencer and Folk, weren’t certain to produce as they had Ellis, Carpenter, Burnett and Gramatica ahead of them.
Are they going to keep that up? I guess that we’ll see.
Chandus:
Forgot about Anderson, he was also productive and looked good in his last couple of games. Hoyte was also ahead of him.
AzCowboy:
Did I read somewhere that there are 11 UFA’s on the team….Flo, Hamlin, Reeves, Ladouceur,Julius, ? Nate Jones,? Keith Davis, who else??? If Jerry sticks to business and gets our needed UFAs resigned and perhaps finds a FA or two to sign, does that leave cap room for a top 5 player? Some important contracts are about to come up for renewal soon as well.
Squidlo97:
Chandus, do you think we are ready for a serious SB run if we add a FA WR and CB. We have a QB and a young Oline and Dline with the exception of Flo and ELLis. We seem to have young Depth. Do we need a major over haul or do we just need one more game changer?
What do you think JJ thinks?!
Sirius,
Jerry has all the power NOW? You mean he didn’t have it last year?
Explain that one? Do you really think all the brains and decision making power were with Jeff ireland, and that he had a way to bend Jerry to his will that Bill Parcells lacked?
The Cowboys had a great offseason last year and the decision making structure was roughly the same.
AzCowboy:
Squidlo
I can’t believe that he thinks we are ONE player away. Not with free agency. The loss of Hamlin and Flo would create significant holes to fill IMHO.
Surrounded by Skins:
Just attempting to look at this is in a bright light, if it true.
Raf, would we have the cap numbers to sign A. Samuel and a WR in FA and get DMac?
wouldnt Barber and Dmac in backfield upon up more of a passing game? Could we run a wishbown with MB3 and Dmac back there?
birdness:
“I saw Holt lay waste to Charles Woodson this year”
I saw Hamlin lay waste too.
AzCowboy:
Who can doubt that Jerry has learned a lot about what is required for a NFL winner? Who can doubt his commitment? Who can doubt who makes the decisions for the Cowboys? Who can doubt that the Cowboys are close? It’s just fun to speculate on what Jerry should do and what he will do…We all want to take the last step.
buster:
OK, let’s put this idea out of our minds because it just isn’t going to happen. The first pick in the draft is worth 3,000 points. The 22nd and 28th pick combined only come to 1,440 points. Where does the other 1,560 points come from? Players? Additional Picks? I don’t think so.
You can also say that the Falcons, Raiders, Chiefs, and Jets need RB help more than we do and they’re much closer to the #1 pick than we are - 3, 4, 5, and 6 respectively.
birdness:
Surrounded by Skins,
NO!
Samuel will get an 80 over 8 deal, Dmac will get top 3 pick money - both of those are killers if Jerry wants to keep Ware, Canty and Newman.
Wishbone? you want bring Switzer back?
birdness:
“The first pick in the draft is worth 3,000 points”
Nobody has 3,00 points to offer. If the Dolphins want two first round players this year, they can talk to Jerry or try to chain together several deals.
The Falcons, Raiders, Chiefs and Jets do not need a RB at the expense of an early second round pick and something next year. The Falcons can trade down for their next franchise QB, the Raiders can trade their pick for Donte Stalworth, or actually draft a Warren Sapp replacement, the Chiefs need help on the O-line and may have a shot at the top left tackle prospect, finally the Jets are in position for either the best 3-4 DE or OLB. No way any of those teams trade up.
So if the Dolphins want to move out of #1, they have to adjust their view of fair value as to what this market provides.
Surrounded by Skins:
yeah…you cant go by that 3000 points anymore, it gives the pick too much value for the money it required to sign that person. If i had to put out that type of money for a player, i woudl only draft a lineman and quarterback with that pick.
Surrounded by Skins:
by the way…i am in NO WAY a supporter of trading the farm for a horse….just asking questions to ask them.
Surrounded by Skins:
im bored and in a area where redskin fans have turned into giants fans just to be opposed to me.
Tim Wilson:
Surrounded,
Yeah, no chance on that. A top 3 pick would be a massive cap hit, and Asante Samuel will probbaly get the largest deal in free agency this year, with the possible exceptions of Flozell Adams, Jared Allen, and (maybe) Randy Moss. CBs cost a lot of money, only surpassed by QBs, LTs, and 4-3 DEs.
Tim Wilson:
On the post’s original topic:
I agree that King is often a Parcells’ mouthpiece, but to his credit, in his MMQB column today, he mentioned that the Cowboys moving up to #1 would make NO sense for Dallas. Not just because we’d be giving up MB3 (who he calls a top 10 back– I love Marion, but that may be a bit premature), but because it is so needlessly expensive to take a RB first overall and pay first pick money for him. I say needlessly because good backs can be had in the later rounds (see: Marion Barber).
Tim Wilson:
For those who are interested, this post from a while back breaks down the value and cost of spending a lot on a running back, either in the draft or free agency:
http://theboysblog.com/2007/11/14/how-much-is-a-running-back-worth/
birdness:
“I don’t think Malcolm Kelly gets to #22. That leaves James Hardy and Early Doucet and Limas Sweed.”
I too see it like Scout. Although, I would rather trade our second or Carp to the Lions for Roy Williams then use #22 on Hardy, Doucet or Sweed - forgot about Manningham and Jackson.
Roy Williams replaces TO down the road, the big WRs in this draft are too slow to ever be a TO replacement.
birdness:
“where redskin fans have turned into giants”
I find myself gravitating toward big blue - I’ve come to the conclusion that I hate those dirty cheating Pats.
birdness:
“RB first overall and pay first pick money for him”
Stewart or Mendenhall should be there at #22, all of the speed guys will be there at #28, none will last to the bottom of the second. So can Jerry churn backups, or 08 and 09 picks into an early 08 second?
Surrounded by Skins:
bird,
I had redskin fans talking crap to me when the giants beat us in the playoffs, then they crap talked when the giants beat the packers (IM NOT A PACKER FAN, i told them). It is silly, i dont want to listen to giant fans talk how great they are. I am cheering for the pats, the media already crowned their butts anyways.
swirvin:
Surrounded,
I am with you. I usually take the NFC but I cannot uheer for a team that has Brandon Jacobs on it.
bulldog jeeper:
and do we really think eli has enough to beat the pats? we were teh only team with that firepower. just because they made the SB doesn’t mean they can keep up with NE
bulldog jeeper:
well that didn’t work the way i meant for it to, but you get the idea
birdness:
BJ,
My dad can beat up yours.
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