Staturday: How to measure offense
When Blez asked me to write something for the front page, the first thing I said to him was, "How much money is involved?" When he told me "zero," I knew immediately that I was getting a good deal.
(Tip number one for aspiring writers: be self-effacing, it helps you connect to you readers, who are invariably dumber than you. Otherwise, you'd be reading what they write.)

Okay, imagine you've just landed from another planet, and you ask the leaders of Earth to describe the most popular game on the planet. After watching five minutes of soccer, you destroy the television set with your death ray and ask for for the greatest game on the planet, rather than the most popular.
(Tip number two: extended metaphors are best used generously, with tortuous logic, since it helps clarify your point.)
A-ha, says your human host. That game is baseball. What is the object of baseball? The object of baseball is to score more runs than the other team.
So, you say, how do you earthlings measure the contributions of the individual toward the team scoring runs?
Your human host goes on to explain that one looks at things like the ratio of times a hitter reaches base to the times he comes to the plate (on-base percentage); the ratio of his hits to the number of times he comes to the plate, except for some reason discounting the times he came to the plate and walked (batting average); the ratio of total bases gained to the number of times he comes to the plate, but counting a walk as neither a base gained nor a time he came to the plate (slugging average); sometimes the first and third measure are added together for no good reason, and so on.
WTF? Your hyper-advanced alien brain thought the object of the game was to score runs? Why do earthlings have such funny measurements of individual offensive performance?
Screw it, you say, and you use your death ray to blow the whole damn construct up and start over again. That's right, we're going to look at baseball statistics from scratch.
The first thing to do is to understand the currency of the individual baseball game. That currency is runs. Runs matter - not OBP, not SLG, not AVG, not small-ball, not big-ball, not Schweddy balls. Runs. That is the only thing that matters.
So, you enslave the smartest members of the human population and set them to understanding how individual offensive events - outs, singles, home runs, etc - affect run scoring. They spare you the gory details, but give you the basic concept:
1. Find every situation where there is 0 out and nobody on base. Determine how many runs the average team scores from that situation.
2. Repeat for 1 out, nobody on; 2 out, nobody on; 0 out, man on first, etc. There are 24 such base/out situations, and the results are summarized in the following table.
0 out 1 out 2 out
Empty 0.555 0.297 0.117
1nd 0.953 0.573 0.251
2nd 1.189 0.725 0.344
3rd 1.482 0.983 0.387
1st,2nd 1.573 0.971 0.466
1st,3rd 1.904 1.243 0.538
2nd,3rd 2.052 1.467 0.634
Loaded 2.417 1.65 0.815
So, if a team has a man on 2nd with 1 out, they will, on average score 0.725 runs. Bases loaded, two out results in 0.815 runs on average. [EDIT: per mdl's request, I am clarifying - this is the number of runs that a team would score before a third out ends the inning.]
3. Find every single that was hit in every game, and determine what the added run value was. So, for example, if a single was hit with nobody on and 0 out, the run expectancy goes from 0.555 to 0.953. That's .398 runs added. If you do this for every single hit in every game, and divide by the total number of singles, you will get the average run value of a single. Your enslaved army of human computers give you this average run value for every single offensive event as follows:
Event Run Value
Single +0.47
Double +0.78
Triple +1.09
Dinger +1.40
Walk/HBP +0.33
Steal +0.30 +0.175
Caught -0.60 -0.467
Outs -0.09
(UPDATE: see erratum)
4. To figure out the number of runs a player contributes to his team, simply multiply the number of singles he hits by 0.47, doubles by 0.78, etc. That is:
Runs = .47*(singles)+.78*(doubles)+1.09*(triples)+1.04*(homers)+0.33*(walk+HBP)+0.30*(stolen bases)-0.60*(caught stealing)-0.09*(outs)
You are so pleased that you decide to dine on the brains of the shortest human slave, which is a great honor on the planet you come from.
(Tip number three: cannibalism jokes allow you to connect to an important niche audience.)
That's it. No batting average, no OPS, nothing like that. Just runs.
Does this really work? To test the numbers, you run it against the aggregate team stats from last year.
Team Actual Runs Predicted Runs
NYY 968 944
DET 887 881
BOS 867 898
LAA 822 789
TEX 816 776
CLE 811 806
SEA 794 779
TBD 782 813
BAL 756 778
TOR 753 760
OAK 741 782
MIN 718 722
KCR 706 667
CHW 693 700
Not too shabby. Your number-crunching gnomes assure you that the equation holds up well against years and years worth of historical data.
Okay, I'm going to drop the lame alien metaphor. The point is that if we look at baseball from scratch and want to evaluate what a player contributes to a team, the best way to do it is to figure out how many runs he is worth. This method of evaluating offense is known as runs created by linear weights. This is the most basic of linear weights formulas - there are lots of tweaks and improvements - but this simple version does a pretty darn good job. And unlike OPS, OBP, ISO, SLG, and all the other component stats, it measures offense in the only units that matter: runs. The object of the offensive game is to score runs, and that is what this formula measures. Throw everything else out the window. If you're not measuring offense in runs, you're not being honest with the game of baseball.
With that, let's take a look at some of the A's from last year to see how many runs they produced by using the linear weights formula. I'll present the number of runs they contributed ("Runs"), but I'll also present the number of runs they contributed per 650 plate appearances (Runs/650 PA), which is roughly a full season's worth. So, for a guy like Travis Buck who hit very well but didn't play the whole year, we'll get to see how many runs he contributed in real terms and how many runs he would have contributed had he received 650 PA.
Player Runs Runs/650 PA
DJ 66 86
MaEl* 86 87
BoCro 35 61
Chavvy 48 83
T-Buck 51 100
Kotsay 17 50
Swish 99 97
Scoot 42 71
Zooks 30 78
Face-tag 43 54
Piazza 39 77
Sparta-Cust 85 109
Hannahan 24 90
*(tested positive for unicorns)
(There is some debate as to whether one should present on a per plate appearance basis or on a per out basis. I'll leave the details to interested commenters.)
Now, not all positions are created equal. You want your mashers at the corner and your glovemen up the middle. So now let's look at these players and figure out how many runs they gave our offense above and beyond the average at their position.
Player Runs/650 PA Position avg Diff
DJ 86 (1D) 93 -7
MaEl 87 (2B) 84 +3
BoCro 61 (SS) 80 -19 (!)
Chavvy 83 (3B) 87 -4
T-Buck 100 (CoF) 90 +10
Kotsay 50 (CF) 79 -29 (!!)
Swish 97 (CoF) 90 +7
Scoot 71 (SS) 80 -9
Zooks 78 (C) 74 +4
Face-tag 54 (C) 74 -20 (!)
Piazza 77 (1D) 93 -16
Sparta-Cust 109 (1D) 93 +16
Hannahan 90 (3B) 87 +3
CoF = Corner OF
1D = 1B/DH
Now, I know that a lot of you probably won't go downloading the data, importing into Excel, and computing linear weights. For a quick and reasonable facsimile, might I recommend The Hardball Times? The fine folks over there present a statistic called "Runs Created," which is close to what a linear weights formula might give you. Close enough for hand grenades, anyway.
Also, these numbers are all for 2007, and past performance is not a guarantor of future success. If you decide look at any projections for the upcoming year, I recommend using the formula above to convert the raw data into runs. In fact, in a few weeks, THT will be releasing a preseason book, which is chock-full of projections. (Yes, I write for THT and yes, I contributed to the preseason book.) In fact, I just got the ok to give you a a sneak preview of the Oakland offensive projections. I'll present them here in terms of runs/650 PA, using the above formula.
Player Runs/650 PA
Jack Cust 105
Eric Chavez 91
Daric Barton 90
Dan Johnson 90
Todd Linden 84
Mark Ellis 84
Emil Brown 81
Jack Hannahan 80
Travis Buck 80
Bobby Crosby 76
Rob Bowen 76
Anthony Recker 72
Donnie Murphy 71
Jeff DaVanon 70
Kevin Melillo 67
J.J. Furmaniak 66
Ryan Sweeney 64
Kurt Suzuki 63
Wes Bankston 62
Richie Robnett 58
Danny Putnam 56
Nick Blasi 50
Gregorio Petit 50
Cliff Pennington 40
Roughly speaking, we can expect the offense to be much better than average at DH, average-ish in the infield (although that's a very optimistic for BoCro), and below average in the outfield. I hope those guys can at least catch the ball.
(Tip number four: shameless promotional plugs help you build credibility.)
If Blez ever lets me back onto the front page, I'll talk a little bit about how to convert runs into wins and the meaning of "replacement level," so that you can create your own "VORP"-like stat without having to use somebody else's blackbox. That said, I think overplaying the alien metaphor might have cost me a shot to do that!
If this kind of stuff interests you (linear weights, not the alien stuff), there are a lot of resources out there on the interwebs. Just google "linear weights baseball" or "linear weights." In particular, I do recommend these sites:
A Brief History of Run Estimators - Dan Fox
Runs Created and Linear Weights - Sean Forman
Base Runs and Linear Weights - Tangotiger
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And excellent intro into another way of looking at the game!
by mrfox on Jan 26, 2008 5:43 AM PST 0 recs
WTF? I thought I was reading about aliens,
death rays and brain eating and now I know about runs produced and linear weights?!?
How fiendishly clever...
by Ice Cream on Jan 26, 2008 7:07 AM PST 0 recs
Great diary Sal
Any thoughts on why some teams would vary +/-40 on Actual and Predicted Runs? Were the Royals that lucky and the A's so unlucky? How much variance in wins does that amount to... something like the +/-6 wins range?
And are ya'll applying similar techniques in evaluating pitchers?
by rebus on Jan 26, 2008 7:33 AM PST 0 recs
Random, I'd guess.
The variation is probably just noise. A more accurate linear weights formula would account for baserunning, groundouts, fly outs, strikeouts, etc., which helps cut down the noise. But these things are never perfect, and teams with particularly good or poor "situational hitting" come out looking better or worse than predicted.
This does NOT mean that the A's were bad situational hitters. They may have been, but this should NOT be held up as "proof"!
10 runs is about one win.
Yes, you can play a similar game with pitchers. In fact, ERA, for all of its faults, is a good place to start because it is measured in...runs!
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 8:26 AM PST
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Questions:
- Have you adjusted those positonal averages to an Oakland context?
- Where have you got those figures from? You have SS as outhitting CF (ok practically equal), but everything else I've seen has mean CF production as outhitting shortstop.
by username on Jan 26, 2008 8:00 AM PST 0 recs
This is all at a basic level
- No park adjustments, no run environment adjustments. You're correct that one ought to do that. My goal here isn't to give authoratitive numbers, it's to illustrate the process and utility for using run-based offensive stats.
- I checked out all players last year with >100 PA and took the median production for each position. CF tends to outhit SS in general, but this was a one-year, non-adjusted sample. In other words, last year could've been a fluke year for CF and SS.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 8:22 AM PST
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Ah -- the sublime and the ridiculous ...
... in consecutive diaries this AM. Very informative and entertaining translation.
I really like this "Staturday" feature -- thanks, guys!
As for the anthem one, there's a legal column in another periodical called "A Criminal Waste of Space" -- too bad they got to that title first.
by The Dogfather on Jan 26, 2008 8:20 AM PST 0 recs
Excellent read Sal...
... I definitely think that is a better way to judge a teams offensive ability (or lack there of).
by AthleticsPTBNL on Jan 26, 2008 9:00 AM PST 0 recs
Wow, we should get rid of that Kotasy guy.
Oh wait. Sweet, nevermind.
And holy cats, Cust rules. Or at least he did last year.
by Elvez on Jan 26, 2008 9:41 AM PST 0 recs
interesting and recommended
what about the assumption that someone with very little mlb experience (like Hannahan or Barton) would have a similar production had they played a full season? Had they actually played all of 2007 in the majors, opposing pitchers would have adjusted their approaches, and the batters would have had to adjust to that adjustment. It would not be surprising if Hannahan or Barton would not have been as productive as they were with such a short MLB season.
That was the first question that came to me as I looked at the runs per appearance, extrapolated to 650 at bats.
by OaklandSi on Jan 26, 2008 9:49 AM PST 0 recs
That is absolutely correct.
Sample caveats apply, as usual. There is the issue of adjusting to pitching (or pitching adjusting to you), but also the fact that any player can look very good or very bad in a small sample. Even a full season isn't really enough to evaluate a player fully.
Take Buck, for example - he was excellent when he did play, and extrapolating his production to 650 PA makes him look awesome. But the projection for Buck (at least this particular one) is not so rosy. Same for Suzuki.
What's interesting to me is that Hannahan, playing way over is head at a level he'll likely never reach again, was only slightly better than a one-limbed Eric Chavez. Chavez is expected to be 11 runs better (by this projection system) over 650 PA - whether Chavez lasts that long is another question altogether.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 9:59 AM PST
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People aren't as high on Buck
as all of his "tools" and actual minor and major league performance say he should be. The only thing he lacks is 35-40 HR power, but a guy who can put up 45 doubles, 10 triples, and 15-20 homers still provides enough power (especially if he's hitting leadoff, where I love him). I agree that judging Buck based soley on one half season could cause one to project him too highly, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he won't be the future star of the A's for the next two years before Beane trades him for a bus load of children.
I'm glad you pointed that out with Hannahan, too. I enjoyed his performance last season, but people are getting carried away with this whole "Hannahan should play over Chavez" thing. A one-armed, bad Chavez was almost as good offensively as a small-sample-size-better-than-ever-before Hannahan. Factor in defense (I still think Chavez is top notch even though a couple lesser metrics don't love him like they used to) and Chavez is clearly the best option at third base. He just might not be a 3-4-5 hitter.
by thejd44 on
Jan 26, 2008 10:11 AM PST
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Looking at other projection systems,
they all like Buck more than the THT projection.
I myself am a little sour on Buck because I don't think he has even 15 HR potential (although I would love love love to be wrong). Doubles, yes. Walks, sure. Hitting for average...not sold on that yet. And if he doesn't hit for a high average, he doesn't have the secondary tools (power, defense) to be much more than an average player.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 10:42 AM PST
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That Bomb...
Buck hit in Anaheim last year over the CF Wall tells me that the power is definitely there. His power stroke seems to be to the opposite field. If all goes right, My money says he'll hit 20+ bombs/year from 2009-2013.
by Colorado Fan on
Jan 26, 2008 1:10 PM PST
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I just don't see it.
I know that power is supposed to develop late, but Buck looks physically mature to me. Sure, maybe he puts on a few more pounds. But he never had much power in the minors (10 HR in 500 AB) or college (19 HR in 750 AB). He'll almost assuredly hit lots of doubles, but he's the kind of guy who will have to hit .290 to have value. I'm not saying he can't do that, I'm just not convinced that he can.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 1:16 PM PST
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I guess I'm not sure why you're citing his track
record of not hitting a lot of home runs, while not citing his track record of hitting .300-plus every level up to the majors.
Opposite field approach, good hard contact, plus speed on the basepaths-- what's not to like, average-wise?
by PaulThomas on
Jan 26, 2008 3:25 PM PST
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You know what?
I'm not sure, either. I guess I'll do the indefensible - default to my gut instinct.
But, you're right, he does have a track record of hitting for high averages. His LD% was good in AA, about average last year. So I'm willing to accept that my prior assessment of him, and my current gut instinct, are wrong.
Still, his BABIP was on the high side last year, given his line drive rate. I guess the big thing for me is that I don't want to accept that he'll be reliant on his batting average AND be a star, since batting average has a habit of fluctuating.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 4:05 PM PST
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I sort of think that
since he hits the ball really hard something good has to happen one way or another.
by mikeA on
Jan 26, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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<foul ball into dugout takes out...
...you know, I was going to Nick Swisher or Dan Haren. I guess I'll go with MaEl.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 4:38 PM PST
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Well, he did have 7 HR in half a season
so even if he develops no extra power ever he's a 15 HR guy.
And perhaps I'm looking a little too far down the road since he'll probably be traded away by this point, but I would be surprised if the new park plays as pitcher-friendly. Buck will be entering his prime offensive years as he's moving into a home park that should be a little nicer to hitters. That alone would help him.
by thejd44 on
Jan 26, 2008 6:52 PM PST
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This post really needs
a "Cannibalism" tag to make searching easier for that all-too-important niche audience. If FJM can use the food-metaphors tag every other post, I see no reason why a cannibalism tag isn't appropriate here.
by thejd44 on Jan 26, 2008 10:01 AM PST 0 recs
Zero money involved?
Maybe for the author. If this Staturday gig is really just out of the goodness of your teeny tiny little heart (and grover's massive throbbing one, and others of heart sizes TBD), simply for the front page pulpit, well, then we are even more greatly in your debt, fine sir. Awesome work. And I for one welcome our new stat-addled alien overlords.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 26, 2008 10:15 AM PST 0 recs
My massive, throbbing what?
Is my webcam on?
by grover on
Jan 26, 2008 10:23 AM PST
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no, that's your egocam, g
by monkeyball on
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They say the camera adds 10 pounds
by grover on
Jan 26, 2008 1:12 PM PST
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I heard a rumor that salb has
a condition known as Ecksteinitis Heartlargeosa. We should expect nothing less from such an individual.
by thejd44 on
Jan 26, 2008 10:23 AM PST
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"Stat-addled alien overlord"
Sorely tempting me to change my long-tenured sig.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 10:43 AM PST
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Change it
I remember "stat wonk futurist" was some sort of wordplay, but I can't even recall what the original phrase was. When your sigline depends on context and the context is forgotten, it's time to move on.
by iglew on
Jan 26, 2008 1:03 PM PST
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what was that phrase anyway?
I really can't remember.
by iglew on
Jan 26, 2008 1:15 PM PST
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From a 2005 DLD.
link (it's in the main diary section, you don't have to read the comments)
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 1:19 PM PST
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Change sig every 27 months
whether you need it or not.
I am honored to now be in the company of the immortal Paul Oberjuerge. Who, Google informs me, is now with the LA Daily News and writing piece with headlines like "Booty leaves gaping hole in resume."
I enjoyed homaging Watt Funk Staturist for awhile, but my sigs are more mercurial.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Jan 26, 2008 1:47 PM PST
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You wear underpants?
I figured you for a numerological commando.
by grover on
Jan 26, 2008 2:25 PM PST
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Articles like this are why I love AN
Five words from salb are worth more than a lifetime of ramblings from hacks such as Bruce Jenkins or Jon Heyman.
As a public disservice, here is a regression fit of the predicted and actual team runs.
If I force the intercept to zero (as is should be), the slope is 0.998 - almost perfect!
by doctorK on Jan 26, 2008 10:43 AM PST 0 recs
Neat.
Very bright sabermetricians have done the retrospective studies to show that this kind of approach works quite well throughout the ages, too.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 10:45 AM PST
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Linearity
I'm curious why you're always referring to your weights as "linear." Yes, of course they ARE linear, but are you implying that there are more developed estimators that are quadratic or of a higher order? If your R-squared is already 0.88 with linear weights, that seems pretty good to me!
by BerkeleyDawg on
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First of all, they're not MY weights.
I suppose I should have been more clear. This is all the work of other people, and this diary was meant to be a primer into the world of measuring offense using runs. None of the work is mine, save for a few plug-n-chug spreadsheets.
There is a more accurate estimator, but it doesn't use a quadratic model. It actually models the way runs are really scored, and it is called Base Runs. Linear weights can be thought of as a first-order Taylor expansion of Base Runs. (Actually, it would be interesting to expand Base Runs to see what you get...but that's neither here nor there.)
Base Runs simple concept:
BsR = (BaseRunners * ScoreRate) + HR
(Runs equals number of base runners, multiplied by how often the runner scores, plus home runs)
You can read more about Base Runs here:
http://danagonistes.blogspot.com/200...
http://www.tangotiger.net/runscreate...
http://www.tangotiger.net/rc2.html
http://www.tangotiger.net/rc3.html
http://www.tangotiger.net/bsrexpl.html
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 5:11 PM PST
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I think I've figured out why you think the A's
outfield is so bad.
Carlos Gonzalez and Chris Denorfia aren't on your list. You seem to have them going with a crew of Buck, Todd Linden (holy crap, that's an optimistic projection for him) and Emil Brown. I wouldn't expect that to score very many runs either.
Also, I think I've solved the mystery of why I think the A's and Angels are as close as I think they are. First off, the A's underperformed their Pythagorean record (which is, basically, predicted wins given the number of runs scored and allowed) by 3 games, and the Angels overperformed theirs by 4. So that makes it 90 wins to 79.
Now we look and find out that the Angels overperformed their predicted runs by 33. Only Texas (probably partly due to their ballpark) and KC overperformed by more. Meanwhile, the A's scored 41 runs less than they should have. Both the A's and Angels play in pitchers' parks, so whatever effect that has on these totals is probably pretty similar in each case. Now suddenly it's 87 wins to 83. (Of course, I haven't figured out the inverse; that is, how many runs should the teams' pitching have allowed, and how many did they allow? I guess that's the next step in the process.)
Granted, the Angels have improved and the A's have gotten worse by trading away Haren and Swisher. But suddenly my notion of the Angels only being 5-10 games ahead of the A's on paper doesn't look nearly so ludicrous.
by PaulThomas on Jan 26, 2008 10:54 AM PST 0 recs
Re:
Carlos Gonzalez and Chris Denorfia aren't on your list. You seem to have them going with a crew of Buck, Todd Linden (holy crap, that's an optimistic projection for him) and Emil Brown. I wouldn't expect that to score very many runs either.
I agree, that Linden projection is a little crazy! And good catch on Denorfia. Personally, I think that the outfield will be Buck, Denorfia, and a Cust/Brown rotation (so that DJ gets PAs when Cust is in the OF). The other projections systems seem to like Denorfia just fine, so that OF won't be quite so bad.
Spot on with the Angels, and I do think that Beane could have made one more last-gasp effort to catch them this year with the right FA signings/trades. But that would have made the rebuilding process that much harder, I believe, and the A's would have to hope for health and a little bit of luck. I can see why Beane chose the path he did, but it would have been defensible had he attempted to go for it in '08.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 11:19 AM PST
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Yeah, I'm not really arguing that it was wrong
to rebuild. If anything, it suggests that the approach they took (wait as long as possible to figure out how healthy guys will be in 2008, then rebuild or not accordingly) was probably a pretty good one.
I've just been trying for a couple of weeks to figure out how I could have the A's as close to equal with a team that finished 18 games ahead of them in the standings. Answer: the Angels were f***ing lucky as hell, that's how.
I still think you're up a tree on Buck... I expect him to hit around .300 for his career. That should be more than good enough to make him a >800 OPS player.
by PaulThomas on
Jan 26, 2008 11:46 AM PST
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Tell you what:
if Buck hits over .300 in any of the next three seasons (minimum 400 PA), I'll buy you a beer, or a refreshing fruit smoothie, of your choice. It's a win-win for me: I'm rooting for Buck to be a star, and if all it takes the cost of a drink, then it's worth it.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 12:08 PM PST
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Yoink
by JediLeroy on
Jan 26, 2008 12:48 PM PST
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what are you giving out if buck hits over 15 hr
in any of the next three years? or over 20 in any of the next five years?
i'd take those bets.
by xbhaskarx on
Jan 28, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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If Buck hits >20 HRs in any of the next three
years, I have a Nick Swisher belt buckle waiting for you.
by salb918 on
Jan 28, 2008 12:58 PM PST
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Correction and Request for Clarification
In the example in your paragraph #3, you copy the numbers from the column 1 instead of column 2. Unless I'm just dense and not getting it, that doesn't make sense. You need to either change the numbers or change the sentence from "1 out" to "nobody out".
Regarding that table, you say you're measuring "how many runs the average team scores from that situation". Scores when? In the next at-bat? For the rest of the inning? For the rest of the game?
From the context, I think you mean for the rest of the inning, but it would be a lot easier to follow if you'd actually specify, so the reader doesn't have to try to infer it from your reasoning.
by iglew on Jan 26, 2008 1:13 PM PST 0 recs
Both valid; first clarified, second corrected.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 1:23 PM PST
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I mean:
first corrected, second clarified.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 1:26 PM PST
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Great Work
I very much enjoyed the analysis. I would like to see the next story apply this runs analysis to only the projected starting lineups for each team to come up with a projected number of wins per team.
This is one of the best I have read. Thanks.
by Thomas Walker on Jan 26, 2008 5:11 PM PST 0 recs
You fall down at the very first hurdle, which is
a shame considering all the effort you put in. Football (as soccer isn't a word) is the greatest sport on the planet.
by OldhamA on Jan 26, 2008 5:28 PM PST 0 recs
"Soccer" is derived from "assoc."
as in association football.
There are many kinds of football, including American rules, association rules, Australian rules, and rugby (union or league).
Referring to any one of them as simply "football" is equally chauvinistic, regardless of which one you pick.
by iglew on
Jan 26, 2008 6:29 PM PST
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I'm well aware of where it's from. It's simply
not a word the majority of people recognise.
by OldhamA on
Jan 27, 2008 4:32 AM PST
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You're a fan of English soccer?
Soccer IS a word. It is as much of a word as "football" or "baseball".
Contrary to claims by some fans of "real football", "soccer" is not an American invention. "Soccer" has been used since the the first days of organised football / soccer.
by rfloh on
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Predicting the future
Interesting read, and my natural progression of thought is to ask how accurate the predictions are. Looking at the top nine run-producers, which ignores positional demands, this team doesn't look like a .500 team. What are the error bars here? I'd guess that whatever methodology has been used for this year has been used for previous years as well, and so there surely must be a 95% confidence or equivalent. I would look it up myself, but I'm hard at work in the sugar caves.
by sec119 on Jan 26, 2008 5:45 PM PST 0 recs
Really enjoyed it
great job, entertaining reading even if I don't understand how you got there.
by china bob on Jan 26, 2008 6:00 PM PST 0 recs
Required reading.
I may point out this diary to LL or USSM to link to as an introductory course for the newbs.
by TIF on Jan 26, 2008 6:34 PM PST 0 recs
I still say that if Harden were to be healthy
the 2008 A's could be on par with the 2005 A's. Especially considering that the weak OF offense will get boosts when Denorfia shakes the rust off the edges and Carlos Gonzalez outplays AAA.
by Nico on Jan 26, 2008 7:26 PM PST 0 recs
Well, when somebody argues against that
position, we'll point 'em to this comment.
by salb918 on
Jan 26, 2008 9:16 PM PST
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why is it that at-bats in which the hitter
reaches on an error or hits into a fielder's choice (when no out is made) are not included in the equation in section 4? assumed to be insignificant or random (yet HBP is in there?)? why not take the bad craziness of "official scoring" out of the equation? you put the ball in play, you reach base, you get credit.
by skutch on Jan 26, 2008 8:31 PM PST 0 recs


