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Oh, right. Optimism Week. Uh, young player who I'm looking forward to watching....Brian Wilson. That there guy throws some nice pitches and stuff.

With that out of the way, allow me to indulge myself. One of my biggest jobs here is to stimulate discussion. My knock-knock jokes really don't build a sense of community. Good discussion starters certainly do, however. That written, I'm going to knowingly kill any chance of discussion today, as I'm going to push for a trade that I've pushed for in the past. It's a boring trade, and the upgrade, if any, would be minor.

A conversation like this happened at some point this winter, I'm pretty sure:

Bochy: So, what happens if Vizquel gets injured? He's 40, you know.

Sabean puts a huge handful of peanuts in his mouth.

Sabean: Amafmff a grrffffrandsenfffefa.

Bochy: Wait, what? Did you just say Frandsen?

Sabean: Afffmmgffvelezefff

Bochy: Wait, Velez? That guy can barely play second!

Sabean: How did you hear both of those names? Dammit. I need more peanuts.

A backup plan to Vizquel never existed. And now that Vizquel is out with knee surgery, it's kind of a joke that the Giants don't have a single ML-ready shortstop behind him. Frandsen is not a shortstop. Rich Aurilia is no longer a shortstop. Velez is even less of a shortstop. Ivan Ochoa is a career .246/.330/.307 hitter in the minor leagues, so any improvements made on Frandsen's or Aurilia's defense would be negated by Ochoa's offense.

The correct answer is Ben Zobrist.

Zobrist is a pre-arbitration shortstop who is blocked by a shortstop at the major league level, Jason Bartlett. Zobrist is not in the future plans of the Devil Rays, who have Reid Brignac as their long-term solution.

Ben Zobrist has never had an on-base percentage below .400 at any minor league level.

Ben Zobrist has a decent defensive reputation.

Ben Zobrist does charity work for causes you care about. Look it up.

Ben Zobrist fills a need for the Giants. His team doesn't have a plan for him in the short- or long-term. That team could use some inexpensive bullpen help. They could use a ML-ready starting pitcher to avoid rushing their 1,783 starting pitching prospects.

Ben Zobrist might not be a long-term solution, but the Giants would have a couple of years to figure that out before he's pressed by any of the shortstops in the low minors.

There has to be a fit.

Ben Zobrist is a switch-hitter.

Ben Zobrist can take out all of the raisins out of already-baked oatmeal-raisin cookies if you don't like raisins. If you prefer, he can put in more raisins.

Ben Zobrist.

Ben Zobrist.

Get on it, Sabes.

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"I play shortstop!"
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Feb 27, 2008 12:41 PM PST   0 recs

Re: "I play shortstop!"
Forgot about him. Corrections have been made.

by Grant on Feb 27, 2008 12:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: "I play shortstop!"
Actually, you pretty much just stand in the spot where a shortstop stands.
Feliz gone, team still bad

by oldjacket on Feb 27, 2008 4:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
that'd be pretty cool if the Giants FO actually knew about other teams minor leaguers.

...oh well.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Feb 27, 2008 12:41 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
+1
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Feb 27, 2008 1:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
BUT CAN HE PLAY CENTER FIELD?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Feb 27, 2008 12:43 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
When Whobrist?
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 27, 2008 12:44 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Well, I can agree that any deal for Zobrist would be an upgrade. Although, any trade for Andy Marte for 3B would be an upgrade too, but that is a different subject. I hope for a Zobrist for Threets and Valdez trade, although i admit that the deal would look more like Zobrist and keeping Rick Aurilia out of the lineup for Threets and Valdez, which would mean we would have to include another player...interesting thought though
Praying nightly that the annual Giants horrid FA pickup is avoided this time around.

by Speedforthewin on Feb 27, 2008 12:57 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Should we be expecting "Ben Zobrist Facts" anytime now?
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 27, 2008 12:58 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Idolizing the Nuschler Face since April 8, 1986 / GIANTSPACE returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Feb 27, 2008 1:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
QUESTION: Does Ben Zobrist have a colorful wardrobe?
QUESTION: Does Ben Zobrist slide head-first into first base?
QUESTION: Does Ben Zobrist play centerfield?
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Feb 27, 2008 1:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
. . .and does Zobrist have the "warrior spirit?" Aw, what the hell, I'd take him any way.
Don't believe everything you think.

by wcovington on Feb 27, 2008 5:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
At this point, we'll shove Sabean aside, and take warm bodies with a conquered spirit.

by Moggeee on Feb 28, 2008 12:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Zobrist?  pffft.....  how many all-star games has he played in?

When you're plan is to start a 40-year-old shortstop who's losing his range & has lost most of his bat speed, do you really need a back-up plan?

OK seriously.  Zobrist sounds like a good option & he would fit into the second part of the speed & defense plan outlined on page 3 of the TPS report (unlike Frandsen, Richie & Velez).  But realistically, our GM isn't going to make this move.  And I don't think we should trade anything of quality for Zobrist when he'll only be filling in for a couple of weeks.  Odds are we're going to trade for Crede, move Frandsen to short & once Omar's healthy he'll take over for Durham who'll be hitting around the Mendoza line.  Leaving 12 million dollars on the bench with Richie & Ray-Ray.

Optimism week:  Brian Wilson kissed the Blarney Stone & got a new tattoo this offseason.  Sorry if this was already posted  We could use that extra luck this year.

So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit.

by ResDog on Feb 27, 2008 1:01 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I've been meaning to talk to you about those TPS reports...

by Scottsdale on Feb 27, 2008 2:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
He is full of ribbon zest and bronze bits.
"There's not enough bases out there to intentionally walk everybody you want to." - Grady Little

by leftymalo on Feb 27, 2008 1:01 PM PST   0 recs

O anagram server,
is there any subject on which you cannot shower us with wisdom?!?
2008: The year the Giants begin to stop sucking.

by EliminateMe on Feb 27, 2008 1:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: O anagram server,
There's a least one subject upon which the server showers us with bronze bits.

by Moggeee on Feb 28, 2008 12:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Has some bad acne too
Every so often, zits be born.
Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Feb 27, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
If he can put more raisins into already-baked oatmeal cookies I'm all for it.

I like raisins.

by marklar on Feb 27, 2008 1:01 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
How about we trade Sanchez for Zobrist, then trade Zobrist for a shitload of raisins?
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 27, 2008 1:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
NO. RAISINS ARE NOT THE ANSWER. BEN ZOBRIST IS THE ANSWER.

by Grant on Feb 27, 2008 1:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Sorry, I keep losing focus on the raisins..

by xanthan on Feb 27, 2008 1:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
What if the question is "what is the plural of raisin"?
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 27, 2008 1:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Well, then it would be "Rasins is the answer", not "Raisins are the answer".
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Feb 27, 2008 1:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Believe it or not, but I've made worst jokes.
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 27, 2008 1:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I didn't know we were competing for worst joke ever. Though that does explain most of Goofus' comments...
2008: The year the Giants begin to stop sucking.

by EliminateMe on Feb 27, 2008 1:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I see what you mean...
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Mar 1, 2008 8:40 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

-1
Raisins suck.
Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Feb 27, 2008 7:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Adam Everett?
He signed with the Twins?  Well, nevermind.  Wasn't it for a fraction of Omar's contract?  Everett is basically Omar only much younger.  I guess that's what Sabean didn't like about him?

by DrBGiantsfan on Feb 27, 2008 1:18 PM PST   0 recs

Injury could linger throughout the season
Got a 40 yr old playing a demanding position and coming off surgery, SF needs to fortify the SS position. Possibly the reason SF has decided to go with Frandsen and not one of their minor league SS is because of 40-man roster ramifications.

by wilriv21 on Feb 27, 2008 1:20 PM PST   0 recs

Do Not Worry, Sabes Has A Plan!
We are not going to just trade for Joe Crede but we are going to trade for Juan Uribe too.  All it is going to cost us is Sanchez and Sosa.

by giantsrainman on Feb 27, 2008 1:26 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Do Not Worry, Sabes Has A Plan!
I wouldn't trade Sanchez and Sosa for Crede and Uribe. I would be willing to trade veterans or lesser prospects for the pair.

by sharksrog on Feb 27, 2008 8:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Do Not Worry, Sabes Has A Plan!
I think your sarcasum meter is broken.  I was not suggesting this but rather fearing that this is how Sabean is likely to be thinking.

by giantsrainman on Feb 27, 2008 9:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Unfortunately, he's too young and, therefore, not eligible to be on a team put together by Brian Sabean.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Feb 27, 2008 1:29 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Sorry to offer a serious comment here... just would like to say I like the idea. Ben Zobrist. Makes a lot of sense to me.
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Feb 27, 2008 1:35 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Ben Zobrist is not the answer. Ben Zobrist is the question. The answer is "sure, why not?"

The larger issue, of course, is the team's careful preparation to maintain a continuting supply of shortstop competence: Joe Jester, Edwin Maldonado, Elliot Strankman, Jamie Athas, Mickey Miranda, Kevin Kelly, Tim Hutting, Jeff Palumbo, Jeremiah Luster, Anthony Contreras, and Mark Minicozzi. All the while employing Mike Benjamin, Steve Scarsone, Kim Batiste, Jay Canizaro, Wilson Delgado, Jose Vizcaino, Rey Sanchez, Ramon Martinez, Cody Ransom, Neifi Perez, Deivi Cruz, Angel Chavez, and Tomas De La Rosa.

So no, I don't see any problem. None at all.

Man, I love subtlety.

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Feb 27, 2008 1:40 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
But you answered a question with a question.

More like: Q. Ben Zobrist?  A. Eh, OK.

February is the cruellest month, breeding / Centerfielders out of the dead land, mixing / Molinas and Ortmeiers, stirring / Dull Rowands with spring training...

by juanboy on Feb 27, 2008 8:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

question with question
That just illuminates our situation - all questions, few answers.
"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Feb 28, 2008 6:10 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Well, our veterans are starting off with a bang (not that I am complaining)...
The Giants will be down four regulars in their exhibition opener Thursday against the Chicago Cubs. SS Omar Vizquel (left knee surgery), 2B Ray Durham (sore right shoulder), C Bengie Molina (strained left quadriceps) and 3B Rich Aurilia (sore right hamstring) all were scheduled to be held out. Bochy joked that he might get in trouble from the league for not having enough starters in the game. "I could get it the first game," he said. "We have four guys down. I could get that letter

So tomorrow's starting infield is going to be Ort, Velez, Franny, & Leone??? That is my best guess.

So, yeah i think we could use a young, healthy guy like Zobrist.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AsDMVQ1As0Lp80s6KbDbl2.pu7YF?slug=ap-giants-refreshedzito& prov=ap&type=lgns

Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: Your 2008 closer.

by sfgreg on Feb 27, 2008 1:41 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
We have an over-abundance of bullpen arms - some of which are interesting, if not really very good.  We should be offering Threets, Taschner and Misch to anyone needing a lefty in the pen and Messinger, Chulk, Sadler and Valdez to anyone wanting to take a flyer on another arm out of the bullpen.

Any way you slice it, we're going to lose some of those guys, unless we do something really, really stupid like send better pitchers (i.e. Sanchez, Wilson, etc.) down to the minors just because they have options left.

If I were Sabes, to maximize my returns, I'd trade two or three of the above names to people for short-season league pitchers with plus fastballs.  Or Ben Zobrist.

I adopt Hector Sanchez. Because he's 17 and it delays the inevitable disappointment that much longer.

by GobearsGogiants on Feb 27, 2008 1:52 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
All I know is I looked at the DRays team and wonder how they could lose 96 games and then I realized the league and division they play in.  I wonder how many losses the Giants teams of the last three years would have lost in the AL East.  

by out machine on Feb 27, 2008 2:04 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Ouch!
Listen to the broadcast on KSFO.

by Shane on Feb 27, 2008 9:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
The Rays went 29-43 (.403) against the AL East and 37-53 (.411) against the rest of MLB last year. Using that as a benchmark, I'd guess the 2007 Giants would have lost 92 games if they'd been in that division...one whole game more than they actually did lose.
2008: The year the Giants begin to stop sucking.

by EliminateMe on Feb 28, 2008 11:03 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
If Vizquel is out for a decent amount of time (which he likely will be what with being 40+ years old and all) all I want from whatever we get to fill that void is good defense. Seriously, I would take a .220 average and the guy routinely berating my mother in post-game comments if whoever he is can just turn a nifty double play and make enough stops to keep Cain and Lincecum from committing rituatlistic suicide by the All-Star Break.

by saveuszito on Feb 27, 2008 2:17 PM PST   0 recs

I think we all know what will happen
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP)--Neifi Perez's homecoming with the Colorado Rockies isn't going to happen.

Perez and the Rockies had agreed to a $750,000 minor league contract on Tuesday, a goodwill gesture that manager Clint Hurdle called a lifeline for one of the more popular players in club history who has hit hard times of late.

But the team later had second thoughts and decided against bringing him back.

"We just didn't feel like it was a good fit," assistant general manager Bill Geivett said.

The first player suspended by baseball for stimulants since they were banned before the 2006 season, Perez has 18 games remaining on an 80-game suspension he received last season after testing positive for a third time.

The Rockies hope Perez can find a job with another team.

And they really, really hope that other team is the Giants. Neifi wouldn't immediately help with Vizquel out, but I wouldn't trust Sabean to figure that out.

At least it's baseball season.

by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 27, 2008 2:53 PM PST   0 recs

Re: I think we all know what will happen
One thing Sabean will do is not pick up players tied to drugs, so we shouldn't have to worry about the horror of Neifi returning.
Merkin Valdez career SO/9: 10.8

by Poe on Feb 27, 2008 6:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Zobrist makes too much sense. Too young, and too much potential for the Giants.
Similarly, a starting infield with 3 players under 30 (Zobrist, Frandsen, Ortmeier) would look waaayy too much like a "rebuilding effort."
The 2008 San Francisco Giants: Years of neglected rebuilding, continued.

by jasomack on Feb 27, 2008 3:04 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Chief , according to a new policy being enacted by Tampa management you owe them a dollar for using the word "Devil" when referring to their baseball , uh , program.
NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Feb 27, 2008 3:24 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we don't need any more B.Z.'s on this team.
I'm voting for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife for president

by milesntrane on Feb 27, 2008 3:57 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
You are so right. Zolina is already a load.

by Moggeee on Feb 28, 2008 12:49 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Yeah, I'm tired of all this Bullzhit, too.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 12:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I was visiting my uncle in Raleigh last summer and got to see Zobrist play for da Bulls against Rochester. Zobrist was DHing and went 3-5 with 3 RBIs that night with Matt Garza starting for the Red Wings. I guess this doesn't add much other than Zobrist looked great then.  Make the move Sabes!

by redseal on Feb 27, 2008 4:08 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
PECOTA weighted mean projections:

A .280 .335 .381
B .249 .334 .358

Frandsen and Zobrist. More potential in line B I suppose, but Omar isn't going to miss much time anyhow so I think its moot.

Merkin Valdez career SO/9: 10.8

by Poe on Feb 27, 2008 6:20 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
His wife is pretty cute...even for a christian rock chick.

HERE IS A LINK
Julianna Zobrist

by The Professor on Feb 27, 2008 6:22 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I would love for her to get in touch with my Christian sensibilities...

Oh, that was bad, wasn't it?

Not funny at all. Not one bit.

Why would I even bother posting it?

Dumb.

Just...

Dumb.

Oh, I'm so dumb.

by lrs77 on Feb 27, 2008 8:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
She looks like a mannequin.

It's freakin' me out.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Feb 27, 2008 9:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
She reminds me of that creepy android from the Heineken keg can commercials.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 28, 2008 1:03 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Oh, you mean the sexist fetish Heineken slave bot?

Yeah, I can kind of see that.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 9:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Specifically she looks like a Russian mannequin. If you've seen them, you know.
Feliz gone, team still bad

by oldjacket on Feb 28, 2008 9:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
The title of this post makes me feel like there's some subtext or allegory or something that has totally gone over my head.

by cakes on Feb 27, 2008 6:51 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
"Benny - Boo?"
Anybody else notice that the Christian rock chick wife has...black fingernail polish?

GOTH GIANTS!!!

NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Feb 27, 2008 6:57 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
If he comes here and bats .235, we can shorten that to just "boo."
Feliz gone, team still bad

by oldjacket on Feb 28, 2008 9:09 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I think the problem with hoping for a trade like this is this:

The Giants will trade WAY too much for Zobrist, he'll come over, do a fine job filling in for Omar for the first 2 weeks of the season, then Omar will return and he'll get stuck on the bench, wasting away, not getting enough regular playing time to really develop. And then he'll be ruined.

The Giants will ruin you, Ben Zobrist.

Ruin you.

And I'm going to stray off topic, but I wanted to say, since no one else wants to, but I actually like Pat Misch. I saw him pitch only twice last season, but there was something there. I swear it. I swear I saw that something.

If we include Misch in some BS trade, mark my words, we'll regret it.

WE'LL TOTALLY REGRET IT!

Okay.

by lrs77 on Feb 27, 2008 8:00 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Pat Misch would prolly get it done. Too much?

by The Professor on Feb 27, 2008 8:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I wouldn't give up much for Zobrist at all. Certainly no major league ready, young starting pitcher. Maybe a guy like Messenger or Taschner or some reliver who doesn't fit into the plans.

He's done ok in the minors. But at the Trop, where most young hitters have come up and prospered, he's put up an average of .200 and an OPS od .503 in 200 ab's. I'd rather just give Burris or Bocock a shot.

http://giantsbaseballblog.blogspot.com/

http://giantsbaseballblog.blogspot.com/

by trecole696 on Feb 27, 2008 9:38 PM PST   0 recs

Giants SS of the Future
If a Giants shortstop of the future had to be named, who would go for Manny Burriss and who for Charlie Culberson? I guess Brian Bocock votes can be counted, too.

by adamf on Feb 27, 2008 10:01 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Giants SS of the Future
Culberson.

Oh, who am I kidding?  We'll sign David Eckstein to a 30-year contract after he turns 38.

Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Feb 27, 2008 10:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Giants SS of the Future
I think it's Bocock, at this juncture. My understanding is that Burriss, while good defensively, hasn't made the necessary offensive progress for someone his age. Schoop still has potential, good-not-great defense, but still needs lots of work on his offense.

Clearly Bocock will have to hit better, but by all accounts his defense is ready right now. Culberson could very well be the wild card here, but as he is a 19-yr-old, I'd assume Bocock gets his shot before Culberson does. After this season, Culberson could very well jump to the top of this list.

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Feb 28, 2008 6:19 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
.400 OBP at all stops of the minor leagues?  Under 30?  Switch hitter?

Yeah, I'll take 4 please.

So I had my series of love poems to Ben Zobrist all planned out and was getting set to commit them to paper in my own blood when I was learned that Grant failed to mention that when Ben went to the bigs from the minors he becomes half the man he used to be, and his wife is a plastic Jesus freak.  She's not a freak about Plastic Jesus (as in, "it don't matter if it rains or freezes..."), but she is plastic and a freak about Jesus.  So, now I will cancel my purchase of the URL www.zobrist-giantssavior.com, and just say Zobrist for Misch straight-up would make me happy.

Go Fred Lewis... You're better than the alternative... Yippee...

by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Feb 27, 2008 11:33 PM PST   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I really wonder what male Giants fans find attractive if they think there's something wrong with the very lovely Ms. Julianna Zobrist.

And don't trade Misch! Trade Hennessey or some other reliever(s). Let's keep Misch.

by lrs77 on Feb 28, 2008 9:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Interesting hypothesis
 I like Misch and think he has very god odds of at least being a solid lefty out of the pen. At this point I would trade him a half a hart beat for a player with what I've read about Zobrist. A young, agile, keystone player that is under team control for years and knows a what a strike zone is.

   Worst thing that comes case scenario's are (A) Misch goes on to be a solid carrier #3 type starter and Zobrist falls apart and can't post a 300 OBP while morphing into Cody Ranson. Or (B) is a serviceable SS the recently drafted SS have to be better then to take the job. Option  A  is mitigated by what are the chances Misch would have the opportunity as a starter here ( Its possible but by no means definite) and on farther review option B isn't that bad.

by daveinexile on Feb 28, 2008 9:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
I think it's just that the picture linked to above is airbrushed to holy hell and she kind of doesn't look like she's made of flesh anymore. She as a physical person is obviously not unattractive, but the photo's been touched up so much it doesn't look like we're looking at a person anymore.

And Christians who feel compelled to tell everybody how great being Christian is are creepy. I don't go around telling you all about my non-Jewery, do I? No, because nobody cares.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 28, 2008 9:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
Well, I guess I forgot to mention that I have a thing for androids. I'm waiting for Hiroshi Ishiguro to fix the kinks, and then I will be in hog heaven.

And I agree, nobody enjoys a zealous, singing Christain. Nobody. Those who say they do are faking it because they're afraid of going to hell. But that doesn't negate the fact that she looks like a hot android.

BLADERUNNER is definitely in my all-time top 5 favorite movies.

And I guess we can trade Misch. I think he's going to be a very solid #3 for some team, but the Giants are loaded with talented pitchers, so, we might as well trade him.

by lrs77 on Feb 28, 2008 12:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Subtlety
As somebody that has watched almost every game of Zobrist's career, I can tell you that he will be a solid major leaguer. never an all-star. he was held back last year because of some injuries (nothing serious) and never got regular playing time.

his one drawback is that defensively, he is average at best. I would call him dependable, but his range is very limited. he won't make a lot of errors, but he won't make any great plays either.

Offensively, his major league numbers have yet to show his minor league potential, but part of that is a lack of regular playing time. He has never looked over-matched and I think he will be fine. I can see him hitting .280 with a .380 OBP most years. and one or two years he may get hot and hit .320/.410.

the reason he is out of a job in Tampa Bay is bc the Rays were attrociious defensively last year, and made one of their priorities this off-season. So they went and traded for Bartlett who was just as important to the Rays as Garza in the Delmon Young trade.

in the end, the Giants could do much worse than Zobrist.

by The Professor on Feb 28, 2008 9:54 AM PST   0 recs