steeler mike wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:04 AM:
" Love it or Leave it Madden!
You are a loser! If you like the bengals so much, move to cincinnati! We don't want you here. I think you are jealous of the yinzers because you dont have a team to cheer for. Get a life. "
Bubba wrote on Mar 22, 2008 7:02 AM:
" You Yinzers are a pathetic bunch. Like him or not, Madden was on the money and it galls you. Take a look in the mirror and ask yourselves this question...Would I feel the same way if it was my mother,daughter,sister good ole Jimmy slapped? The issue here is about abuse and the Steelers seem to have quite a problem with it. Making it worse is the spineless way in which Rooney attempted to snake his way out of the ordeal. Real class act right! "
Harrold Carmichael wrote on Mar 20, 2008 6:18 PM:
" STEELERS 2008
EVERY YINZERS DREAM, EVERY WOMANS NIGHTMARE! "
Sassy wrote on Mar 20, 2008 3:33 PM:
" "What Jimmy Harrison was doing and how the incident occurred, what he was trying to do was really well worth it," Rooney said of Harrison's initial intent. "He was doing something that was good, wanted to take his son to get baptized where he lived and things like that. She said she didn't want to do it."-Dan Rooney, Steeler's Chairman
What this statement looks like to me is a justification for domestic abuse, this is almost worse than no condemnation at all, the man should have just kept his mouth shut if they weren't planning on sanctioning "Jimmy" My season tickets will not be renewed. "
Let's give it up for the Rooneys! wrote on Mar 20, 2008 12:42 PM:
" How about a little support now!!! As soon as a situation elevates to a point that the UNION can't file (and win) a greivance, the moral compass of the NFL (the Rooney's) act and act fast. Congratulations! Wilson would still be a member of every one of the other 31 teams....and you know it. Many of you have spent the past week bashing the Rooney's for their lack of action (though legally, there was a reasong). At least have the decency to admit you were wrong.
PS - (to Legend) a tree fell on and killed Steve Courson. I'm pretty sure steroids had nothing to do with that. "
To The Super Genius wrote on Mar 20, 2008 12:19 PM:
" MM
Veritas! "
Wes wrote on Mar 20, 2008 12:12 PM:
" Funny how Steeler fans flood the comments not to defend the Steelers (not that you really can in this instance). But to insult madden? Why? because he is bringing to light a string of over payed athletes abusing women 1/3 there size. Wow lets praise rooney for cutting Wilson a non starter, but man is trying to buy time with his playmakers to hope their instances get swept under the rug. I thought they are suppose to be a model team? "
Sassy wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:57 AM:
" Still not enough, they need to cut their MVP. Funny how a 4th string curtain jerker can have his contract voided within 12 hours of an incident, but the starter and team MVP will be "given his day in court" in hopes that training camp will start and it will "all go away". "
Gracias wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:45 AM:
" Thank you Mark Madden for keeping this issue in the public light. Perhaps now all the yunzer steeler apologists will grow up and gain some character. "
Thomas Paine wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:45 AM:
" "It didn’t take long for the Pittsburgh Steelers to react to Cedrick Wilson’s latest brush with the law. He was cut Thursday morning, roughly 13 hours after he was arrested for hitting his former girlfriend."
Is the epidemic over now, Madden? Or do the Steelers still need to pander to your perception of their civic responsibilities? Maybe you could suggest that it was only by your courageous stance that the Evil Rooney Empire was moved to act. Or maybe this is just a franchise that is respected throughout the league, acts when it is appropriate and does what it thinks is right. "
Yinzerfan wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:32 AM:
" So, what's the excuse this time Steeler fans?
It's time to realize that the Rooneys need to address this PUBLICLY. They need to make EVERY player go through some sort of anger management.
Nice job Holmes, Wilson, Harrison, etc...you've made Ham, Lambert, Bradshaw, etc. very disappointed. "
Pat B. wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:14 AM:
" Way to go Cedric!!!
So you walk into a bar and punch your girl while she's sitting on a bar stool. Your a real man!!! What a joke this guy is.
I guess his arrest for pushing and hitting his girlfriend (you know, the one he didn't hit prior to her holding police at bay with a gun for hours) last night, clears up the talk concerning if he should have made Madden's list. Now the Steelers send a message by releasing him. We'll see if they release Harrison, or another roster worthy player, after the next incident. "
Staying on target wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:01 AM:
" Wilson,was arrested Wednesday night for hitting his former girlfriend in a Pine restaurant, and was charged by police with simple assault, harrassment and disorderly conduct.
Looks to me that madded knows what he is talking about (then again I do not have a pair of those black and gold glasses). The NFL needs to do something about this before something serious happens.
Keep up the great work Mark.
"
Steelerfan wrote on Mar 20, 2008 9:47 AM:
" I'm sure that Madden and his loyally blind-followers will take full credit for the Steelers actions towards Cedric Wilson. Wilson was released from the team today after his arrest on assault charges. There is no doubt that the Rooneys have followed Madden's commentary and have only done this in direct opposition of his editorial. However, that opens the door for the Bengals to sign Wilson to a long-term deal now that he has met the criteria for their player conduct. The Rooneys do take action when action is necessary, see Bam Morris. If Harrison is arrested, I expect the Steelers to take similar action. Give the player the benefit of the doubt when the stories start flying, but if arrested and/or found guilty, they will be dealt with. It's been done in the past and will be done again. They are not deep at starting receiver, and yet are willing to drop Wilson based on his poor conduct. But sorry Madden, as much as you love to blow your own horn, please don't think this had anything to do with you and your inflated ego. "
AJP wrote on Mar 20, 2008 9:37 AM:
" Here's a newsflash, Cedric Wilson's contract was just voided by the Steeler's after being arrested for assault on his girlfriend last night...maybe Madden's on to something? "
JZ wrote on Mar 20, 2008 8:50 AM:
" Well it is now Thursday March 20 and what is posted all over the news... Cedrick Wilson getting arreseted for beating his girlfriend. Who wants to try and back up the Steelers now.
PATHETIC!
And all of you YINZERS are PATHETIC if you try and stand behind the Rooneys now! "
Patrick wrote on Mar 20, 2008 8:49 AM:
" Well, all of you steelers fans want to explain Wilson punching his ex-girlfriend in the face last night? I guess we should let Wilson have his day in court too???? You no-life steelers fans that are sticking up for Harrison and i am sure there will be a few idiots out there that will stick up for Wilson please try and justify this one too!!!!
All of you people that are sticking-up for these two low-life men, i have a suggestion for you, you should all start beating your wifes and girlfriends becuase you are no better than these two guys and there will be some people that will try and justify this! "
Bushwa wrote on Mar 20, 2008 8:32 AM:
" Um, Cedric kind of proved Madden's point didn't he?
"
fitz wrote on Mar 20, 2008 8:19 AM:
" Isn't this timely, given the Cedrick Wilson incident last night? Maybe the Steelers will continue to say this is a private matter. "
Gambit000 wrote on Mar 20, 2008 7:46 AM:
" To all the yinzers out there, I guess Cedric Wilson tripped on the night club floor last night and accidently struck his girlfriend. I will say one thing, I feel Mark Madden was wrong on one account, the Steelers are actually worse than the Bengals. They just dont have the numbers . . . . . yet.
"
Unbiased Non-yinzer wrote on Mar 20, 2008 7:39 AM:
" I don't see how anyone can justify a big strong grown man hitting a woman. Its a despicable thing to do. Anyone who tries to defend these players or shrug it off as not being a big deal is obviously a yinzer. I love the Steelers and attend a lot of games home and away, but to be honest I can't stand the majority of Steeler fans. People who think the Steelers can do no wrong and will defend them at all costs regardless of facts. This organiztion would be so much classier if it did not include these domestic abusers and also these homer yinzers. "
Sassy wrote on Mar 20, 2008 7:31 AM:
" So does anyone now believe that Ced Wilson was innocent in the first incident, I think not. Anything short of a statement condemning the actions of these players from the Steelers will make me forfeit my season tickets, this is utterly ridiculous. A bunch of savages that beat women are not something that I want my daughter to see me associated with. "
I dont hit women wrote on Mar 20, 2008 6:55 AM:
" Another Steeler hitting another woman:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/20/bc.fbn.steelers.arrest.ap/index.html
Western Pennsylvania must be a breeding ground for cowardly men. "
Brody wrote on Mar 20, 2008 6:40 AM:
" Every basket has a few bad apples, some more so than others. A man who raises a hand to a woman is no kind of man at all, plain and simple. Black, white, yellow...poor or rich...Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, etc....it doesn't matter, it's wrong. This is not a pissing contest about how many championships a team has won or how successful an organization is....This is about cowardly acts of violence at the hands of a man on a woman. They are real tough guys, right? "
Legend wrote on Mar 20, 2008 4:22 AM:
" Like I said, google all of the follwoing. Mike Webster admitted using steroids. Steve Courson admitted it. Jim Haslett said the abuse started right here in Pittsburgh. What more do you want? Seriously! Perhaps the biggest thing that gets me is an exact quote from Art Rooney II. And I quote "Now, what Steve (Courson) is saying about the fact that he knew people were using steroids, and maybe other people do, that MAY be true, I don't know". Uh OK, as he continues "at no time was there a position that steroids were to be condoned". That sounds like a statement out of the mouth of Barry Bonds. "Ummm well I of course don't know if I did steroids, but well I certainly don't endorse them" I'm sure by the END of the 70s most teams were on the juice, but the Steelers introduced them to the NFL and used them to help them win their first 2 Super Bowls. "
Cedrick Wilson wrote on Mar 20, 2008 4:08 AM:
" ANOTHER INCIDENT!!! This debate is over, Madden (even though I don't like him) was right. Steelers need to do something NOW to show they have any class left at all. "
letsgopens wrote on Mar 20, 2008 2:09 AM:
" the boy who cried wolf was telling the truth the last time...How about Wilson punching his girlfriend in the face wednesday. But who cares right? it wasn't my girlfriend, sister, mom, or daughter... the point is lack of outrage and press than the fact he alluded to Holmes, Najeh, and ced Wilson's first incident. "
Matt O wrote on Mar 19, 2008 10:50 PM:
" Madden is right on the money here. Thanks to the times for providing a forum for a lone dissenting voice among all the yinzers. I love football and the Steelers too, BUT I HATE WOMEN BEATERS!
Great Job Mark.
PS....Your still fat though :) "
Ernie McCrackin wrote on Mar 19, 2008 7:19 PM:
" James Harrison MVP
Most
Violent
Patriarch "
Dan Payton wrote on Mar 19, 2008 4:39 PM:
" Congratulations to the Times on dragging your newspaper down to the level of another idiotic radio talk show. "
More Facts...Less Generalizations! wrote on Mar 19, 2008 1:26 PM:
" Lengend, your lack of facts truly is "legendary". Let's actually look at some for a change, shall we?
-35 somewhat recent Steelers' deaths:
-Right off the bat, 18 of them were over the age of 60. There's a pretty good chance these guys were "clean", agree?
That leaves 17, right?
-5 died from various accidents (auto, falling trees, falling barbells, etc.)
-3 died from cancer
-1 suicide
-3 were heart attacks, but very skinny "skill" positions (WR, DB, QB)
-1 was a...how did you put it..."power position"...Center. But it was Ray Mansfield...who I think anyone who knew anything about him knows he never juiced.
If my math is correct, we stand at 4 "potential" steroids-assisted deaths, of which only one of them (Webster) ever admitted to "trying" steroids (your words...not mine).
-So the remaining three "power positions" are
-Jim Clack (certainly no factor in any Super Bowl victory and barely considered a Steeler)
-Tyrone McGriff (ditto...sans the Steeler part)
-Steve Furness (never admitted to taking steroids and certainly didn't fit the stereotypical "steroids" build.)
Your hatred of the greatest sports franchise is noted...but please try to use some facts in the future when making outlandish claims! "
counterpoint wrote on Mar 19, 2008 11:33 AM:
" Mike Webster has never admitted to steroid use. Go through the court dockets and the medical records. Of course, since you're not a BEAT WRITER you don't have to know the facts.
Why has this argument gone from domestic abuse to steroids? Because the columnist can't square his past with his current comments.
At least the newspaper is happy with all the attention. That's what matters in third world journalism. "
Stay On Target wrote on Mar 19, 2008 8:44 AM:
" You'ld think a guy with such definitive opinions would at the very least have the facts correct. Wilson's case, involved no voilence committed by him, yet Fat Boy decided to include him any way. That being said, As a Steelers fan, I do not agree with the accused crimes of Holmes, Davenport, or Harrison. I do however realize that these cases tend to be very emotional and in many instances involve children. None of us were there. None of us know the story. All we can base our opinions on is how the legal system handles it. At the end of the day, many people like Fat Boy pretend they know every minute detail. He doesn't. Neither do I. Neither do you. Let's wait, let the facts sort themselves out, then pass judgement. To compare any of these guys to Thurman or Henry is laughable, at best..... "
Legend wrote on Mar 19, 2008 2:23 AM:
" GOOGLE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING IF YOU WANT "The numbers are startling. Of the NFL players from the 1970s and '80s who have died since 2000, more than one in five -- 16 of 77 -- were Steelers." GEE I wonder why. I'm not saying Bradshaw, Swann etc were all on steroids but obviously the power position players were. "In an interview last year, Jim Haslett, then coach of the New Orleans Saints, admitted to experimenting with steroids as a Buffalo linebacker, and said the use of those drugs among NFL players STARTED with the Steelers. The NFL didn't begin testing for steroids until 1987, becoming the first professional sports league to do so" Just because they weren't illegal back then DOES NOT justify it. They weren't illegal because NOBODY (sans Chuck Knoll) knew about them!! About Mike Webster: "Also after his career, he ADMITTED he tried anabolic steroids as a player" OR is this is the same kind of admittance that James Harisson used and is no big deal for yinzers. So please, all knowing internet bloggers, provide me with some real info about how "everyone" did roids in the 70s "
Hmmm wrote on Mar 19, 2008 12:38 AM:
" So if you are an employee of lets say...any job would you be fired for a conviction of domestic abuse? Just wondering.
"
To Legendary wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:28 PM:
" All teams used steroids in the 70's, thats a fact. Why did they use steroids, because they were LEGAL! - counterpoint
Comparison of Steelers to Bengals players - 4 Steelers to double digit Bengals - counterpoint
double digit Bengals charged in issues with the law, 1 Steeler - counterpoint (Wilson, Holmes etc. were never in court, never settled out of court etc...)
To be punished immediatly without conviction or a earlier conviction will not happen, Harrison hasn't been in trouble while on the Steelers - counterpoint
Madden is a known Steelers/Rooneys basher - counterpoint
That work for you?!?!? "
Steroids Curtain Defense? wrote on Mar 18, 2008 6:34 PM:
" Now that is laughable. Joe Greene? Lambert? Ham? Blount? Greenwood? Shell? Wagner? The great thing about these boards is that you can be completely mis-informed and still talk trash. Even moving over to the other side of the ball. Franco? Bradshaw? Swann? Stallworth? Bleier? Grossman? Yeah, they were really shooting up! Certainly, NFL offensive linemen were highly suspected of using steroids prior to when they started testing. That's ALL of them. Not just the Steelers. Last time I counted, only ONE Steelers' OL was in the HOF. That team is WITHOUT QUESTION the greatest team in the history of SPORTS...not just football. EVER! So please, get a clue. Care to share who your NFL team allegience is with? It was pretty convenient of you to make outlandish generalizations and then withold that information...Legend! Certainly, we all have a pretty good idea (hence the witholding...LOL). "
MR.TURN THE DIAL wrote on Mar 18, 2008 5:00 PM:
" Everytime Ken "The Geek"Laird fills in i turn the dial,his voice is sooo annoying --Joe starky or nothing.Steelers who hit there woman once should get anger management,if they do it again then out for the next season without pay. "
Sam wrote on Mar 18, 2008 5:00 PM:
" You're right.
Only there is no lower class of person than professional athletes. They've been coddled their whole lives. People have protected them, made excuses for them, enabled them since at least their early teens.
These are not Mellon executives, Bayer executives, just a group of guys that includes a percentage of thugs.
But I agree with you, they should get suspensions, fines, maybe be banned. This seems worse than Pete Rose betting on his own team to me. "
The Legendary Legend (FROM Pittsburgh) wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:56 PM:
" Mark is NOT a Steelers beat writer so he doesn't have to go into the locker room. Counterponit, quit trying to change the subject. Most overrated franchise ever, Steroid Cutrain Defense "
gmuny2002 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:54 PM:
" Madden, it is a rare occasion where I agree w/you. This is one of those occasions! "
Patrick wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:07 PM:
" I can't believe some of the things that you so called steeler fans are writing on this message board; you got one that is putting out their that the steelers have 5 super bowls compared to none for the bengals, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOMESTIC ABUSE, not super bowl victories, not the bengals getting more arrest than the Steelers!
It just amazes me that people are protecting the Rooneys over this situation; why hasn't James Harrison been fined and or suspended????? I know, people are saying let James have his day in court, let the court system handle it, blah,blah,blah. Harrison admitted to hitting this woman and probably has done it before and will probably do it again!
You Yinzer's out there that are trying throw this under the rug and ignore it, please take off your black & glasses and realize that a very strong grown man hit a defenseless woman but why would that matter as long as Harrsion keeps sacking the QB he can do what ever he wants to woman!
There is more to life than the steelers and winning games, wake up and realize that abused woman are more important! "
Bengal Hater wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:01 PM:
" I just heard on ESPN that the Rooney family is going to make an announcement about the firing of several steelers players. They will also start holding auditions for all male cheerleaders. Ah yes... retrobution at last. Damn women haters!! "
realtalk wrote on Mar 18, 2008 3:41 PM:
" legend is obviously a philly sports fan...lol
"
JD wrote on Mar 18, 2008 3:08 PM:
" Having been through this with the Bengals, my response has always been the same, how can one be responsible to the Steelers (or Bengals) when they do not have responsibilty to do the right thing for themselves? Today's NFL (and all pro sports) league /team officials have their hands tied when it comes to disciplining their own. Fire someone and they will sue, and they will win, The CBA is a management nightmare. While the players enjoy the fruits of their work, management is left to "clean-up" the mess they leave behind. And we wonder why, this continues, there are no means available to deal with these types of situations currently. I know the Rooneys wish there were, just as I know that the Brown family wishes there was, but there isn't, and I can't see the players "caving" on this item when the CBA runs out and needs to be renewed. The question becomes how badly do the owners want to be able to police their own? Money over Responsibility what will they do.......... "
streets of compton wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:50 PM:
" Oh, boo hoo hoo. No one's taking you seriously. Boo hoo. Well guess what? As a columnist, you have a past that needs to be square. So you'd better get off your high horse and continue on as the court jester. Back in the dirt where you belong.
Didn't you learn that lesson with your sudden shift in perspective on Kordell Stewart? "
counterpoint wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:30 PM:
" So why isn't Mark answering about his agendi (hating the Steelers, personal problems with Hines Ward, etc.) or his problems with the rest of the media, or why he compared them to the Bengals, a team that drafted college criminals? Why isn't he answering any of the legit points, but YOU come on and selectively pick out the few who called him names and say it's everybody, as in EVERYBODY turns a blind eye to the football steroids problem. YOU want us to be specific, while YOU use generalities. YOU must be Madden. So, Mark, why don't YOU go into the locker room like a man? "
The Legendary Legend wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:12 PM:
" Everyone here seems to hate Mark Madden. Whether you like him or not, the point of this comments section is to discuss (point, COUNTERPOINT) his statements. Saying "Mark Madden is fat" does not make his article wrong. Trying taking things he said then making a counterpoint.
The Steelers suck, they have won ONE championship in the past 28 years, and the OOONLY reason they won 4 in the 70s was due to STEROIDS (another major misjustice swept under the rug). People in this city will blast Barry Bonds for using steroids, then turn the other cheek when reminded about the Steroid Curtain Defense. THE most overrated franchise in SPORTS.
Just like when people call Mark Maddens show, they just call him a Steelers hater instead of COUNTERPOINTING what he said. When Mark hangs up on people it's not because he lost the argument, it's because people stem away from the discussion and begin calling him fat, saying he hates the Steelers, ALL of which are irrelevant to his discussion. "
Epidemic wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:50 PM:
" One case of domestic violence should have been one too many. The team owners and league officials need to put a stop to it. Not doing anything is sending the message that it is OK to abuse one’s mother, wife, sister, or daughters. "
Jack wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:43 PM:
" It IS an open locker room and Madden has access. Why doesn't he go down there and do a report himself?
"
sassy wrote on Mar 18, 2008 11:14 AM:
" Regardless of the number of incidents, the players and Steelers must be held accountable for these heinous actions. Hitting a woman, especially when you're a 250 lb. linebacker, is about the worst thing I can think of behind murder, sexual assault, and child molestation. If the Steeler organization were as classy as they make themselves out to be, Harrison, Holmes and Davenport should be looking for a job, regardless of how "valuable" they are to the team. I for one will not ever buy a ticket to support the Rooney's again if something is not done to sanction this admitted abuser. Madden had this one right, but he should have left the Bengals comparison out of it, it's irrelevant. "
streets of compton wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:32 AM:
" From a guy who two weeks ago begged the Steelers to pick up moss and Pacman Jones.
Hey, Madden, you had your chance to cover the team at the Super Bowl. The stress of it gave you a heart attack. Lucky you. Didn't have to face anyone. "
Buddy wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:24 AM:
" First things first: Abuse of any kind is wrong! Doesn't matter if it's men on women, women on men, against children, pets and so forth.
Second: IF this article would have been written by any other person beside Madden, I would have given it more credibility.
Third: It's amazing how many posts there are from people that must not be from the area and not Steeler fans and don't understand this piece.
Madden is an A$S! See when you compare him to a real Sports Writer, you're actually insulting REAL SPORTS WRITERS!
AGAIN for those thinking I'm sticking up for the Steelers. I'm not!
BUT I SURE AS HELL AM NOT STICKING UP FOR MADDEN!!! "
It's Football...People! wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:04 AM:
" The biggest problem with being the moral compass for the NFL (which the Rooneys have basically owned for the past couple of decades through their ACTIONS), is that many want to see them falter. And many resent them for their pristine position. No one disagrees that domestic violence is cowardly and disgusting. Sure, some people are trying to get a reaction on these boards, but come on...you hit a woman...you're a punk. My problem with Madden's article is that he acts like there is some conspiracy by the local media that the Rooneys control. Give me a break! They can't control these players personal lives. And they can't come down on them INSTANTLY because there is a UNION in place. You people in BC should know a little something about UNIONS...as should Madden. The current commissioner will deal with these situations if they warrant it. Can anyone argue that he's not the toughest commish the NFL has seen on "off-field" issues??? It's football, people! We rip the Bengals because year after year...they stink....ON THE FIELD! It's been going on for the better part of four DECADES!!! "
Sport wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:07 AM:
" Anyone who follows the league knows the Bengals are ridiculed because they drafted players AFTER they beat their women (Frostee Rucker), smoked dope (Ahmad Brooks), were suspended by their Georgia team for beating a woman (Odell Thurman), ran around Rutgers Stadium giving the finger (Chris Henry -- whom Madden himself mocked on-air for weeks), was arrested for burglarizing his teammates apartment (A.J. Nicholsen), and was in jail (forget the guy's name who they signed at the end of 06). THIS is the big difference between the Steelers and Bengals, dolts. The Steelers do their best. They don't profess to be angels and the writer here just seems jealous of a media that actually shows up to report. No wonder Pro Football Talk gives this writer the time of day. He's the same kind of reporter -- "We tell the truth because we have no connection!" Well, the tough part is telling the truth and showing up the next day. There ARE writers who do that. This guy is obviously jealous of them. "
Be-zor wrote on Mar 18, 2008 7:51 AM:
" The real story is that taxpayers paid for the stadium the Steelers are playing in. That helps the Steelr management to pay hundreds of millions for a better than average, injury prone quarterback.
Or have the taxpayers paid for that too? "
michaelzef wrote on Mar 18, 2008 7:30 AM:
" Just Win Baby "
Garry Tooma wrote on Mar 18, 2008 7:16 AM:
" Is this is the same Mark Madden who has referred to women as "bitches" on the air and brags about going to strip clubs? "
Brandon wrote on Mar 18, 2008 6:07 AM:
" Wow. 13 arrested for Cincy and 4 for Pittsburgh...that is kinda the same.....I guess. Another article proving the Mark Madden is stupid. "
DocHoliday wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:58 AM:
" Plain and simple, Madden hates the Steelers. Loves his Penguins who most sports fans from the Burgh, aside from the avid hockey fan could give a good sheeet about. Ask Mark if part of animosity stems from what he perceived as Shun from Bettis a number of yrs ago, when Maddens Mom wanted an autograph but didn't get it.
He bashes the Steelers at every turn and gets away with it. Its quite obvious he has his own personal agenda where the steelers are concerned. I cant begin t o tell you how many times Mark is dead wrong when it comes making assessments and predictions about the
Black & gold
In short, he nothing but a Fat slob with an inferiority complex a 100 miles wide. Anyone who listens to him, knows this.
Truly, ESPN (Ch4) needs to get wise and fire this obnoxious Low life and put someone in there with some objectivity.
"
Friend of a Friend wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:43 AM:
" I'm glad MM was able to attribute one of his sources as a "friend of a friend." I surely understand the need or desire for anonymity of an alleged abuse victim but this is horrible journalism.
I know of a friend of a friend who told me of Madden's oafish behavior at a place that will remain nameless.
Should I be believed. NO! I won't name names or places plus I wasn't there.
Madden is simply stirring the pot. That's why he's employed. The BCT had better be careful, however. A friend of a friend told me.........OH nevermind! "
A Real Comment wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:10 AM:
" We all know Madden hates the Steelers/Rooneys. Abusing women is dispicable and unacceptable, agreed by all, Steeler fan or not. And in my opinion, cowardly. Should Harrison be punished, yes, because he admitted guilt and to losing his temper (I do like the fact that he admitted his fault and is taking responsibility). As for punishment, thats up to Uncle Sam and Mr. Goodell.
As for Holmes, Wilson etc., they were not convicted because they were not guilty (not high priced lawyers). If that were the case, womens shelters/groups etc, would have stormed the city and demanded punishment, rightfully so. Rooneys couldn't stop that.
Steeler fans are not putting blinders on to the situation, most stated Harrison should be punished, because he is guilty. Assuming ones guilty, when it wasn't proved, or made it to court, why would punishment be handed down, unless you were a previous offender, and in this case (article), no Steelers were.
What have YOU contributed to this "epidemic"?
Quit complaining and do something about it... "
John P wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:03 AM:
" I love how Kevin and "the dragon" bring their single-minded political opinions to this discussion, which has nothing to do with politics. Leave it to the "ditto-heads"!!! Do you really think the republicans are a bastion of moral superiority? Ted Haggard, Larry Craig? Get over yourselves, PLEASE!!!! "
unembarassed to be a life long FAN! wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:46 PM:
" I believe this is an in house matter and should be handled with the upmost professional care. We need to find something else to do rather than point at the other guy. This is none of anyones business but the Steeler organization and those individuals it pertains to. Any kind of abuse is obviously not acceptable in any way shape or form. However, this does not justify you or I to begin judgement of others mistakes. Live and let live and most of all mind your own business. Ask yourselves, if you were in the lime light how would you feel about people who don't know anything about you or your life to try and butt in making judgement calls on your life? Leave it alone it will get handled. Next time you make your mistakes we all might be there to exploit them and turn you into an animal when all you really are is an imperfect human being!! "
Neil wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:14 PM:
" The comments in response to this article show just how one-sided and unopenminded Steelers fans can be. How can you stick up for people that abuse women? Seriously? You should be condemning them, but instead you are making excuses for them. Start caring, and maybe they'll want to change their behavior if for nothing else their own public image.
At least give the Cincinnati media credit, they have been very critical of Bengals who have been in trouble. Radio personalities figuratively crucified Chris Henry, et al. Go look at Cincinnati Enquirer columnist Paul Daugherty's past articles and see if he has given any Bengal a free pass.
It doesn't come down to who has more championships. It comes down to whether these people who our children are idolizing are acting in a way that is worthy of their role model status.
This is an embarrassing situation that deserves more scrutiny from the organization, the media, and the team's fans. "
Derek Thomas wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:00 PM:
" I love it when these people are in denial. You should be embarrassed by your teams behavior just like the Bengals should be. Quit sticking up for these players or nothing will ever change!!! "
Bubba wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:56 PM:
" Good article Double M. Let the truth be told. I can't understand knowing the population of Pittsburgh how so many so called fans would turn a blind eye to this problem. This man of considerable size hit a women. What part of this don't you people understand? It doesn't matter if she hit him first. He admitted to hitting her. Her Rooney, step up "you can be a man!" "
the dragon wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:45 PM:
" just because they were'nt convicted (due to the fact that can hire a high priced lawyer) does'nt mean that it did'nt happen. as someone already said, i think 99% of steeler fans have to be democrats !! "
HBD wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:18 PM:
" Madden,
Stop bitching. The Steelers ARE above everyone else.
Stop hating, you know we will always be better than the Bengals... in everything "
Jason wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:14 PM:
" I think the article is good. No man should hit a woman, period.
Harrison admitted to hitting the woman, that means he is guilty. I guess in the Steeler world, hitting a woman is not wrong. That is sad.
Great article Mark, Keep them coming. "
Several Key Differences! wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:05 PM:
" Madden, there are several key differences between the Bengals and the Steelers. Knocking them for their "legal" issues is just gravy compared to what really matters. The first five differences are:
1. Super Bowl IX
2. Super Bowl X
3. Super Bowl XIII
4. Super Bowl XIV
5. Super Bowl XL
Oh yeah, and the 40 years of butt-kickins we've handed them specifically doesn't hurt the argument either.
If there's such a consipiracy, why doesn't the "national" media pick up on it. Do the Rooneys have them under their thumb as well? No, it's a little something called respect. Most decent people understand that when people like the Rooney's spend multiple lifetimes earning it, you don't take cheap shots knocking them over a couple of bad apples (to sell newspapers...or try to make national headlines). But then again, you've never had a problem with decency. Try it some time. "
Dan wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:44 PM:
" Thanks for talking about the obvious double standard. If only the mainstream media would do the same. Rather than face their problems (as the Bengals have tough as it's been) the Steelers prefer to act like they are above all this. Steelers fans don't like to hear it, but they know it's true. The extent to which bad behavior is tolerated is directly related to the skill of the player. Steelers fans should look in the mirror and be honest. "
Kyle wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:37 PM:
" Great article. Wake up people! "
Montani wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:24 PM:
" Is it ok to ever hit anyone? Madden is a slob who used to get beat up on national television for money while he was an announcer for WCW. Was it ok for him to portray stylized violence, and complain about 4 guys who happen to play pro-football? Madden hates the Steelers b/c Sid the Kid doesn't play football, so I expect any article about them to bash bash bash.
"
Stumpy wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:04 PM:
" To those who are saying they haven't been convicted of anything yet...The NFL has ALREADY SET PRECEDENCE by suspending players without being convicted. "
Circus Georg wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:04 PM:
" Mr. Madden,
Great article, as usual. Nothing more needs to be said. As for the "Yinzers" out there, they woud tell you you (with a straight face) that the Steelers will go 16-0 and win the super bowl evey year. I've loved the Steelers for almost 30 years, in spite of that fact that I'm a native Floridian. I can look at things a bit more objectively than most people up here in the Burgh. Oh, and I'm not fat either(by Pittsburgh standards anyway!), so there's no collusion here! "
Bob wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:37 PM:
" Madden brings up the cases of Wilson, Holmes, and Davenport to support his case. Maybe I am missing something but I am unaware of any of them being convicted of anything related to the issues in question. Based on that my guess is that you should watch what you post here or be liable for slander. "
steve451 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:21 PM:
" Mr Madden, while I applaud your efforts to draw attention to the problem of domestic abuse, your shock at the failure of local media outlets to cover the story overlooks the fact that a quick google of "crime statistics by race" reveals that african american women are three to five times more likely to be victims of domestic abuse than non african american women and that number is based on only crimes that have been reported. The majority of those black women are not, presumably, being abused by white men. Any media that dares to include such statistics in the discussion will immediately be accused of racist reporting. The rath of Art Rooney is nothing compaired to the rath of Al Sharpton. "
Carter T wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:15 PM:
" It all starts at the amateur level. Maybe it is in High School, maybe earlier. They are mostly primadonna’s who get away with everything in school because they can play a sport. A 4.0+ non-athlete would be reprimanded, punished and scorned if they did half of the things that these punk athletes get away with. There over-inflated egos along with the community allow them to believe they are untouchable. As they are adored and given liberties, the monster gets bigger and then they are adults with major problems. Not all school age athletes are like this because some are brought up properly and are better grounded but go to any high school and I’m sure you find your share of kids who are hero’s in their own mind and the in the minds of the “want to be communities”!! "
KP wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:50 PM:
" I think the players who commit the crimes should be treated the same as anyone else would be treated. Being an athletic should not give them any special
treatment.
Maybe the team could fine these individuals, and give the money to a
woman's abuse center.
It should be in all contracts for the athletics. If you do a crime you will pay a fine. "
Roy wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:48 PM:
" Typical steeler fans, turn the other way. The steelers owners are class less, just keep pulling the wool over the cities eyes and fill up them pockets. No public statement on this issue just shows you what they care about. Thanks Mark (Mr. 8.7) for telling the truth, keep up the good work. "
Kevin wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:46 PM:
" It's funny how you people attack the messenger, you have to be Democrats.
Mark is right, the truth hurts, take off your black and gold glasses and think for once in your lives, but I am asking too much because the Steelers are your lives. "
SABU wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:43 PM:
" Excellent article. Yet another black eye for the NFL in general and the Steelers in particular. Attention ladies, if you're considering dating a Steeler, maybe you should consider purchasing a handgun first. The life you save may be your own. "
Jeff wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:37 PM:
" I certainly agree that domestic abuse is not to be taken lightly anywhere, anytime, by anyone. However, I am very distrubed by this line, "A previous girlfriend of one of the Steelers involved now dates a friend of a friend." This is heresay twice removed and, as such, should never be offered to accuse one of something as serious as domestic violence.
In a perfect world, journalists should be more judicious with the sourcing of their material. The journalist does not know "the friend of a friend," and has no way of substantiating what "the friend of a friend" has said.
A "friend of a friend" just doesn't cut it. "
Trent wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:18 PM:
" I have had all I can stand from you about the Steelers, you make me sick that I wasted time to read that trash. It is sick that you would compare the Steelers with the Bengals and then claim that it gets swept under the rug. It has nothing to do with the Steelers but what to me sounds like your hate for the Rooney's in your article. I have seen you type come and go over the years. Did the Rooney's hurt your feelings before and you feel a need to bash them? Now, to the issue of Abuse, it is wrong plain and simple and it will be dealt with in court. Why do you and other media people feel that if a player or person in general aren't dragged through the mud in the press they aren't punished? Is not a court of law better than the court of public opinion? I think you are nothing more than a sorry excuse in a media that has many writters with class! "
Ben wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:54 PM:
" The Bengals were largely arrested for non-violent offenses: possession, boating under the influence, traffic violations. Only one - AJ Nicholson - was arrested for a violent crime; check the roster: he was released within days.
"Mike" from below is right - "you can hardly compare the Steelers offenders to those of the Bengals." In truth, the Steelers players are much more violent and dangerous. "
Brian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:33 PM:
" These events are no doubt something that need brought to the attention of the right people, they are cowardly and unacceptable. However, this article clearly would have never been written by this writer had it been the same events happening in the Pittsburgh Penguins organization. This is a case of a writer who is crying over sour grapes. Anyone who listens to his daily talk show knows that he has a public one-sided quarrel with the Rooneys, mostly because they do not care for his shock jock antics. I find it hard to believe that he all of the sudden cares about womans rights, but yet finds no tribulations demeaning them on a reagular basis? Mark, are we to believe that abusing woman with words, is somehow better than physical abuse?You should really find another outlet for your revenge against an organization that does not care for your low class crassness. "
Tim wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:24 PM:
" It's kind of interesting that none of the players mentioned have been convicted of domestic abuse. I in no way condone this type of action but to my knowledge Harrison is the only one who has admitted his role. The charges on Holmes were dropped, Davenport called 911 before the women did and Wilson was not involved in any domestic abuse. What other type of business would be expected to be responsible for it's employee's actions? Why is the Steelers organization supposed to be held accountable. Make the player accountable just like any other person. If they are convicted give them some jail time and suspend them ... but until they are convicted you can't condemn them "
Ian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:10 PM:
" Ahhhh, gotta love the blind devotion of Yinzer Nation.
I was born and raised in Pittsburgh, but clearly this article sheds light on what should be an obvious point. It doesn't matter what you think about the author, that simply does not change the facts. 1) Several Steelers have commited crimes by beating up their wives/girlfriends and 2) They face no punishment.
Now replace Steelers with anyone/anywhere. Would you accept this if your friend was just beaten by their boyfriend? Would you accept your kid had just gotten hit by a bully and the teacher does not do anything about it? Of couse you wouldn't. Why should this be any different? We are not talking about ON FIELD issues here, this is about a man HITTING a women.
Wake up from your dream world and look at the facts. Who cares what other teams or sports do in this situation? Take up the cause and make this team and this city better than those you want to compare to. "
Nate wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:59 PM:
" Finally, someone tells it like it is. Don't hate the truth. It defines you. "
Adam wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:32 PM:
" These comments illustrate exactly what the writer was suggesting - the deaf ears and blind eyes of the community. Not one of you denounced the actions of the Steeler players, but instead concentrated on attacking the writer. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. "
Madden follower, sort of wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:27 PM:
" For somebody who "claims" to be a genius, Mark Madden is pretty closed minded and childish.
I'll admit that I do often listen to his show for the comedic value of it. He shuns & berates anyone who does not agree 100% with his opinion.
The davenport & Wilson issues stemmed more from the women that the players & the Holmes issue was resolved amicably. So what if Harrison admitted to what he did. He manned up & is taking responsibility for his actions.
I'm willing to bet if it was Big Ben who did this, this article would have an entirely different tone. If you have ever listened to his show, you would know about Madden's "man crush" on Ben. "
Stumpy wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:26 PM:
" Working in Pittsburgh, I got to hear over the past couple of years the Steeler fans make jokes about the Bengals player's legal woes. Jokes about the Vikings, Patriots too.
It really doesn't surprise me what the previous posters have said. Steeler fans are pretty easy to spot. Joke and laugh at other teams, but when their own team is at fault, attack the people pointing it out.
Harrison admitted to domestic abuse. The league should suspend him for 8 games. Of course, the league protects Steeler players. Case and point, Joey Porter's complaining about the officials after the Colts game a couple of years ago. Any other player in the league would have been suspended or fined no matter how true the comments were.
Face it Steeler fans, this truth hurts. "
jason wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:18 PM:
" Seems like the writer used very little research in team and league comparison. Also piece seems to be more opinion than fact. Bad journalism here. Abuse is very bad and to throw out there the steelers have an epidemic, are too powerful and that the media is scared of the roonys makes this writing garbage. It does seem personal. Hire better writers if u really want to be considered a good paper. "
Eric wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:05 PM:
" So now we're justifying the actions of Steelers players by saying "you can hardly compare the Steelers offenders to those of the Bengals" or by diffusing the situation asking "how many domestic dispute charges have been filed against all NFL players on all NFL Teams?"
When will we hold our players to a higher standard and stop defending their actions all the while pointing fingers at other teams in the NFL and other athletes in other professional sports.
All the comments to this article so far help to prove the author's point, the Steelers ownership really doesn't support women's groups, women's rights or women in general. They, like the people commenting, have chosen to look the other way and rationalize domestic violence. I'll bet you'd feel differently if that was your daughter or sister. Shame on all of you fellow Steelers fans who support the oppression of women by your ambivalence "
Matt wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:02 PM:
" How can you possibly rip on this article without at least acknowledging that Harrison needs to receive some kind of punishment. Granted it may not have been the best written peice ever, and it does make it sound like its the 4th player to have hit his girlfriend recently when really its just been Harrison. But none of that changes the fact that someone who gets paid millions to play football shouldn't be allowed to hit his girlfriend. People in the NFL should be held to a higher standard. That is especially the case in this situation. You don't get to spend an entire season talking up and making a role model out of Harrison, and the brush off domestic abuse. "
Brian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:48 PM:
" Well, I agree with the above. Let's get this out of the way: domestic abuse is an epidemic in this country, and I'd like to see the Rooneys and the NFL deal with this once and for all. James Harrison and anyone else who does this should not be absolved. Ever.
This said, Madden's employment at ESPN radio is equivalent to how he feels people treat the Steelers. They don't seem to reel him in for his outlandishness, and the interview he had with Mark Pudlowski was one of the most embarassing pieces of alleged journalism I've ever heard. I don't want him gone because he hates the Steelers and has a vendetta. I don't want him out because he's launched this imaginary Pens vs. Steelers feud (most people love them both). I think he should be gone because many people are too unintelligent to tell when someone is purposely misinforming the public and fueling an agenda and when someone is reporting fact. He is NOT reporting fact, he's an embarassment to radio, and if it wasn't for his ratings (which are the only things 1250 certainly cares about), he'd be out. "
I'm Cartwright wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:46 PM:
" For once, I have to agree with Mark. It's never been more clear how much the Rooney family runs this town and the media. "
inappropriate_word wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:41 PM:
" profootballtalk.com keeps track of these issues. So far this year the Steelers have 6 incidents vs Cincys 0. The Steelers are only tied for fifth place out of the 32 teams. Madden may have a point.
http://beta.profootballtalk.com/turd-watch/standings/
AFC EAST
New England 10
Buffalo 3
Miami 0
New York 0
AFC NORTH
Pittsburgh 6
Cincinnati 0
Cleveland 0
Baltimore 0
AFC South
Tennessee 10
Houston 6
Jacksonville 0
Indianapolis 0
AFC WEST
Denver 10
Oakland 3
San Diego 0
Kansas City 0
NFC EAST
Philadelphia 3
Washington 0
Dallas 0
New York 0
NFC North
Minnesota 13
Green Bay 3
Chicago 0
Detroit 0
NFC South
Atlanta 0
Tampa Bay 0
New Orleans 0
Carolina 0
NFC West
St. Louis 0
Seattle 0
Arizona 0
San Francisco 0
"
Naomi wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:38 PM:
" Mark,
"The club should also make substantial contributions to domestic abuse centers and use their considerable media influence to further the cause"
How much money did/will you contribute to domestic abuse centers?
Or is this another case of using your "considerable media influence" to defame the Steelers?
"
the dragon wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:25 PM:
" this is the typical response that i'd expect from yinzer nation. the ignorance of steeler fans amazes me yet again. if a steeler player murdered someone, the fans reaction would be, "well, they were going to die someday anyway !" you people are in desperate need of lives. can't wait to your hero ben leads them to a 5-12 record next year. you deserve it !! "
Brian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:23 PM:
" Outstanding column. It is refreshing to see someone in the media shine light on this important topic. How sad that the Steelers sit silently while these players abuse women.
It is almost as sad as the people who wrote comments here blasting the writer and defending the players and team. "
Randy wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:10 PM:
" If this was Cincinnati it would be big news every were. I glad to see someone is writing about it when it happens to other teams.
Santonio Holmes, Najeh Davenport, Cedrick Wilson, Joey Porter and (most recently) James Harrison I am sure I am forgetting someone but all these guys have had brushes with the Law.
And Holmes and Davenport were not in School when there issues happened.
"
John-David wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:10 PM:
" Well, it is the Steelers. If these players had grown up here, the girlfriends they are beating up would also be family. "
Dom wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:25 AM:
" I am commenting on this article without even reading it. The title was more than enough for me to realize that it was simply the latest installment by an otherwise irrelevant journalist to obtain respect and credibility. However, with respect to fairness, if I am wrong then I apologize.
For the last several years, Mark Madden has carried out an on-air (and now in writing) vendetta against the Steelers and the Rooney Family for a perceived slight. At first it was humorous and, at times, had some semblance of sense. But now, it is just old, tired, and pathetic.
I just cannot believe that the Times is unable to task one of its sportswriters to write a weekly column that has a worthwhile purpose.
"
Dino 5 Rings wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:38 AM:
" Tell me, how many domestic dispute charges have been filed against all NFL players on all NFL Teams?
How does that total compare with other leagues and their Athletes? How does it compare with the NBA? NHL? MLB? Boxing? MMA? Soccer?
Can you tell me anything that would put the current situation with 4 Steelers (3 really, Wilson?) players being involved over their lifetime in Domestic Dispute claims that would put it in perspective? Or are you just writing a hit piece?
Clarify that for me, and maybe I'll pay more attention to you and your reports. "
Thomas Paine wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 AM:
" Officially the lamest sports article ever. 8% of the Steelers roster has been - at various times over a period of years - accused of domestic abuse. Someone get a dictionary because I don't think Madden understands the word "epidemic". "
Mike wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:03 AM:
" What a bogus article. The only epidemic is poor journalism. Take a look at the staff of the Beaver County Times, I'll bet you'll find a couple bad apples there as well. This is life, nobody is perfect. You failed to mention two of your supposed offendors were in college at the time of their wrong-doing and Cedrick Wilson wasn't even present for his.
I'm not defending any of them, but you can hardly compare the Steelers offenders to those of the Bengals. I can only bet you won't be winning any Pulitzer Prizes in the near future.
It hardly surprises me that a Post-Gazette cast-off has found another paper to destroy. My advice, the Beaver County Times would be better off acting more like the Steelers and developed their own talent instead of bringing in another institutions damaged goods. "
Mike Shropshire wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:40 AM:
" Ah, another "hate the Steelers" column. He does three that drool over the Pens, then one that blasts the Steelers. Boring. "
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