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Would Jason Botts get claimed?

Conventional wisdom has it that the Rangers have to keep Jason Botts and Nelson Cruz on the 25 man roster, or lose them, because they are out of options.  The standard belief is that either of these guys would be claimed.

But is that necessarily the case?  Particularly for Botts, given his defensive limitations?

Let's run through the American League teams, who would presumably be the most likely to put in a claim for Botts, since he is considered primarily a DH.

Anaheim isn't going to claim him...they have too many players who need to DH as it is, and Reggie Willits may start the season in the minors because of a COF logjam.

Seattle isn't going to claim him.  He isn't a Mariners type of player, and they have Jose Vidro and Richie Sexson locked in at DH and 1B.  If someone were going to break into the COF mix, it would be Wladimir Balentien, most likely.  And Seattle isn't the type of team that values a defensively limited, high OBP type like Botts, anyway.

Oakland?  Everyone assumes the A's would grab Botts, but right now, the A's have Daric Barton, Jack Cust, and Dan Johnson in the mix for the 1B/DH slot.  Travis Buck has a solid grip on a COF job.  You could conceivably stick Cust in LF, where he played some last year, but even then, that just means you've found a way to get Johnson, Cust and Barton all in the lineup...that doesn't necessarily make room for Botts.  For Oakland to grab Botts, there would either need to be an injury, or Billy Beane would have to believe he could move someone -- problem Dan Johnson -- for a player or players who, combined with Botts, have more value than Johnson alone.  I think that's unlikely.

Moving to the Central...Cleveland has a full-time DH and a 1B tandem in place.  Chicago has Paul Konerko, Jim Thome, and some new COFs.  Minnesota could put in a claim, I guess, but they are set in the COF slots with Delmon Young and Mike Cuddyer, and at 1B with Justin Morneau.  Jason Kubel appears to have the edge at the DH job, and Joe Mauer is going to get some DH ABs as well.  

Detroit is set, and given that they are in "win now" mode, even if Gary Sheffield or Magglio Ordonez went down, they seem more likely to go get a Sean Casey type rather than taking a flyer on someone like Botts.

Kansas City is a possibility...they are set in the outfield, but they could slot Billy Butler at first base and let Botts DH.  Or they could just mix in Botts at 1B and DH to spell Butler and Ross Gload.  

The BoSox and the Yanks wouldn't claim him, you wouldn't think, because they are full up with guys for the DH and 1B roles.  

The Devil Rays are a possibility, given Rocco Baldelli's injury situation and Cliff Floyd's perpetual achy-breakyness.  They could slot Botts into the lineup as their DH right now.  

The Orioles aren't likely to put in a claim, in part because it isn't exactly their style, but also because they already have Kevin Millar and Jay Gibbons and Aubrey Huff lurking.  There's no need for Botts because there are already guys who fill the part-time DH/1B role on the roster.

The Blue Jays, meanwhile, have Frank Thomas and Lyle Overbay, plus Matt Stairs.  They might be, conceptually, interested in Botts, but barring an injury to Thomas, there's nowhere to play him.  

So it seems like there are two A.L. teams who would be candidates to claim Botts -- the Royals and the D-Rays.  And neither of those are givens.

Looking at it, I wouldn't be surprised if Botts would end up clearing waivers, should the Rangers opt to drop him at the end of spring training.

And that would be bad news for Botts, since it would mean yet another season toiling at Oklahoma, and cementing his reputation as a AAAA guy without actually getting an opportunity to show what he can do with some regular ABs at the major league level.

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I hope
You didn't start this diary just to have a swordfight with jon.

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2008 11:15 PM CDT   0 recs

This isn't a diary...
it's a main page post.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Mar 16, 2008 1:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK.
Gold as always ben. How've you been?

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 8:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very nice peice Adam
I guess you're right, Botts might have a chance at making it through - maybe that's something to consider.

One thing, though: the Yankees are far from "full up" with options for first base. They have a logjam at COF and DH, but first base is a problem for them - Giambi really can't play that well in the field anymore, and Shelly Duncan and Wilson Betimit aren't exactly starting 1B material.

That said, however, the Yankees probably wouldn't drop anyone just to take on Botts - my feeling is, they really don't care about who plays 1B this year, because they're counting on winning the bidding war for Mark Teixeira in 2009 (something I wouldn't bet against - NY seems like Tex's kind of town).

by lonestarJon on Mar 15, 2008 11:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Why's that?
He never struck me as Mr. Metropolitan. Or is it because he has that slight edge of douche about him?

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2008 11:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Better chance of clearing than Cruz
But Botts and Cruz both make this team, at least initially... especially if/when Byrd gets traded to the Cubs.  And it would really help Botts if Bradley was ready to play the field on opening day (not holding my breath).

I know Mench has looked good, but they need him at AAA for insurance purposes.  And it wouldn't surprise me to see Catalanotto start the season on the DL.

I'm not saying Botts and Cruz will stick... but if the Rangers can keep them on the roster past opening day, it will be easier for either of them to clear waivers (when every other teams roster is set).

Being a football fan is like having a fling once a week... baseball is a relationship.

by Wemedge on Mar 15, 2008 11:28 PM CDT   0 recs

If Botts goes to waivers
I'm pretty sure Oakland or Minnesota would attack his jock, regardless of what you say.

by chief on Mar 15, 2008 11:40 PM CDT   0 recs

In Minnesota,
Botts will become the next Jason Morneau, wouldn't that be depressing.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting thoughts Adam
A similar thought actually struck me recently, but I still have a hard time coming to grips with the idea that all 29 other teams wouldn't dare to take a chance on a player who has shown so much at the minor league level, despite his struggles against big league pitching.

by jamcadbury on Mar 15, 2008 11:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Yuppers
I can see Minny, TB, KC or maybe an NL team looking for a 1b/lf putting in a claim, but it's no certainty.

When the Rangers option him (cause, come on, if they liked him they'd have given him a shot by now), I hope someone claims him and gives him a job.

I'd rather see him succeed elsewhere than fail here without ever been handed a real chance.

Good luck, Jason.

We true soldiers. We don't die. We keep rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...

by thedirkatron on Mar 15, 2008 11:54 PM CDT   0 recs

+2
2/26/08 R.I.P. The BGL ... out.

by Chase Irwin on Mar 16, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+3
Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Mar 16, 2008 12:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nelson Cruz...
Does it stand to reason that it is a given that Nelson Cruz would get claimed if he were to be designated for assignment?
"The only thing I hate more than bikes are procedural cop shows. We get it. The pedophile did it." - Dr. Bob Kelso

by YourNameHere on Mar 16, 2008 12:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Cruz
I think he's pretty well established himself as a AAAA player. Every teams already has a few of those.

by Randy Richardson on Mar 16, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe he would clear waivers...
but I could care less about that. I want the guy to get some consistent AB's with this team and I would rather have him here at 1B than BB. The last thing Botts needs is to go back to AAA to start another year.

If a spare like Mench makes this team and pushes Botts out I will be very upset. This organization has never given him a real chance. If another team gets him they better give him a shot and not jerk him around like the Rangers did. As dirkatron said I would much rather he go somewhere else and get a chance than sit on the bench here behind BB, Shelton, Mench, Cruz, or even Cat.

I think he still has a shot to make this team, but I would probably say it's only a 25% chance.

One question. If he is optioned down to AAA, and clears waivers, can he refuse the assignment and become a FA? I would have to think that may be something he may consider given his chances (or lack thereof) he has had with this organization, but I'm not sure if he could do that. Anyone?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 16, 2008 12:59 AM CDT   0 recs

waivers
If Botts clears waivers (and that's a pretty big if, imo), he cannot opt for free agency since it would be the first he's been outrighted to the minors.

by chrisR on Mar 16, 2008 1:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Minn ain't going to touch him
Kubel is their DH. Botts is not their type of player. They value defense. Not exactly Botts strong suit.

I think there is a strong case of homerism when it comes to Botts. He just is not that good.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=bottsja01
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=kubelja01

"This has been a team effort. No one or two guys could have done all this." - Casey Stengel, after the Mets lost 120 games in 1962

by RangerMad on Mar 16, 2008 1:53 AM CDT   0 recs

+1
I think Botts is AAAA and I am pretty much fine with letting him go at this point.
Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Mar 16, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So...
Minny wouldn't use him as a DH cause they value defense. I don't know what to say.

And Kubel's not really very good. He has performed better at the major league level than Botts has, but the idea is that Botts has never gotten a real shot at the big league level and if he was given one, he'd be able to beat Kubel's epic .273/.335/.450 line from last year, which was Kubel's "breakout" season.

If Botts can't beat that line, then he doesn't deserve a real shot.

But I believe he can.

We true soldiers. We don't die. We keep rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...

by thedirkatron on Mar 16, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1
Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Mar 16, 2008 12:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kubel
He's younger than Botts, he's a guy the Twins developed themselves, and he's someone who was considered a rising star before he missed a season due to injury.  All those things are going to mitigate in favor of the Twins keeping him instead of Botts.  

Also, fwiw, Kubel's PECOTA projections are better than Botts, and he's got more defensive value, though not a ton.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 16, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right
But I'm just saying that if the Twins like Botts enough that they think he'd be a good DH, then having a guy like Kubel on their team is not gonna stand in their way.

Obviously if it's close in their mind, then they're going to side with their guy.

We true soldiers. We don't die. We keep rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...

by thedirkatron on Mar 16, 2008 7:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They've Seen the Light!
Brother Adam...the exorcism is complete.
The Rays had the Devil beat out of them.

Hallelujah!

It's hard to try to look like a chump when you're so pretty.

by Clueless on Mar 16, 2008 2:31 AM CDT   0 recs

If Goal is 2009 !!
If the goal for this team is 2009, then I say trade Cat. He has the same defensive liabilities and he would need a platoon at DH. Atleast if you keep Botts at DH you only tie up one position, since he is a switch hitter. He will not embarrass himself when you want to give BB the day off, and you can use the DH spot to give guys the day off in the field. Cat has no future on this team. Botts could turn out to be the next Travis Haffner. I know all his #'s are at AAA, but at some point they will translate to the majors. I just hope it is with the Rangers.
Trade Cat, Trade Byrd, Cruz 4th Of, Mench AAA.

by Ranger Captain on Mar 16, 2008 9:24 AM CDT   0 recs

I hope
You stay the Captain and don't become the GM.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no way
I agree that you can trade some of those pieces into the season and byrd in ST, but Cruz should not be on the major league roster.  he had more than his share of opportunities last year.  Botts needs a shot.  and, if he doesn't get it here, he might as well get it somewhere else
Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Mar 16, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oakland
If you're Billy Beane, you'd keep Dan Johnson over Jason Botts?

I mean, if a waiver claim displaces somebody, the displaced apparently isn't worth anything but waivers himself.

Plus they're rebuilding.

FWIW Washington's comments about Botts' defensive ability around 1B come to mind, too.

If he's waved here, Jason Botts is an Athletic.  My prediction.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Mar 16, 2008 10:47 AM CDT   0 recs

A little hasty
I didn't really know Johnson's minor league numbers,a nd they compare with Botts', actually.  Plus Johnson is just a little older.

I'm coming back to Adam's POV...

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Mar 16, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Getting rid of Botts
so a one year player like Broussard can play every day.  Is Broussard part of our future?  I would guess no, he is merely holding the position for Davis.  Well in that time, why not give Botts the chance to play to see if he could be the DH of the future.  Broussard and Cat won't.  Aren't we rebuilding (for the future!)?
Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Mar 16, 2008 1:06 PM CDT   0 recs

Botts
I think Botts has two things going against him in regard to other teams interest in him.
  1. His defensive liabilities which especially limit his value as a bench player.
  2. In my opinion, he isn't the type of guy who would have success if he was only in the lineup once or twice a week. Seems to me that his swing will cause him to struggle if he's not in a good, steady rhythm.

by Randy Richardson on Mar 16, 2008 1:37 PM CDT   0 recs

i'm sick of this argument...
...that Jason Botts hasn't been given a fair evaluation.

if it takes him two or three months to find his groove... like everyone suggests it took him at each level of the minors... sure, ok.  he clocked that time the last half of last season.  

i expect him to come firing out of the gates when the season starts.  if by May, he's still floundering around in sparedom, you drop him.  simple as that.

you make the most of the opportunities that are given to you... ala David Murphy.

by oc on Mar 16, 2008 4:25 PM CDT   0 recs

Linden Doesn't Have Spot With A's
From mlbtraderumors.com

"Outfielder Todd Linden hit .353/.421/.482 in 85 Spring Training at-bats in 2007. That and the fact that he was out of options helped him snag the Giants' fourth outfielder job that year. Linden can play all three outfield positions. However, the Giants designated Linden for assignment on May 10th after just 55 ABs. The Marlins picked him up and he fared a bit better. But they were still able to pass him through waivers to send him to Triple A in June.
This year the 27 year-old boasts a spring line of .577/.633/.885 in 26 ABs. Nonetheless, the A's decided not to take him with to Japan. That means he's not making the team, and Linden understandably isn't happy about it. The versatile switch-hitter should be able to hook on somewhere as a fourth outfielder."

Granted, Linden's minor league numbers are not as good as Botts. And he does have 500 ML ABs. But Botts and Cruz are not the only players out of options that will be available in the next 2 weeks. If Botts doesn't make the team, I think he clears waiveers and ends up in OKC.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/L/Todd-Linden.shtml

"This has been a team effort. No one or two guys could have done all this." - Casey Stengel, after the Mets lost 120 games in 1962

by RangerMad on Mar 17, 2008 5:11 PM CDT   0 recs

My dad...
is a Giants fan and was trying to think of this guys name the other day. He's been watching him this spring with the A's wondering why he never hit like that in SF. He said he is ok defensively, but hitting anything in 26 ST AB's leaves something to be desired.

Your point is taken though. There will be a lot of guys like this, Botts, Cruz, etc. that will get the axe in the next week or two.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 17, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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