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Buffalo Rumblings Exclusive: Matt Miller, New Era Scouting Interview

New Era Scouting

Yes, this is a blog dedicated to the Buffalo Bills. What's nice about this place, however, is that our interests extend beyond the Buffalo Bills. Not very far, mind you; we're only talking the NFL Draft here, so let's not get carried away. So for the draftniks in the Rumblings crowd - and I'm 99% sure that that's every single one of us - we've got a treat for you this morning.

Matt Miller, a pro football scout who runs his own scouting service over at New Era Scouting and who represents the NFL Draft wing of SB Nation over at Mocking the Draft, very graciously set aside some time this week to answer questions from you, the readers of Buffalo Rumblings. (You may also know Matt from his work on hammering out each team's positional needs with Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk.) Below are the ten reader-submitted questions that I chose for the interview, and Matt has, as is his calling card, provided us with excellent insight. So, without further pomp and circumstance, here's Matt to answer your questions:

Is there a center that you could see stepping in and starting from day one for Buffalo? (submitted by: krytime)

There are many centers who could come in and start as rookies, and they will be available in many rounds. Mike Pollak from Arizona State is the top center on the board at this time. He is the best at combining pass blocking skill with the ability to fire off and block tackles and linebackers in the run game. Others to consider are Steve Justice (Wake Forest) and Adam Spieker (Missouri).

We all know the potential that Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie has, but how much risk do you see with him? Does his lean frame or lack of experience concern you? Is he physical enough to play in the Tampa 2? (submitted by: kaisertown)

Rodgers-Cromartie doesn't scare me, but I was a big fan of Antonio Cromartie coming out. His lack of bulk is not as much an issue as it would be at another position. He's not a very physical corner, so drafting him for a Tampa 2 scheme would require a scouting staff who has seen him jam well and recover in workouts, plus a coaching staff willing to mold him into a physical cornerback. Being physical is as much mental as it is physical.

Between the bowl games and draft day, is the rise or fall of prospects legitimate or are they false and mostly media hype? Do scouts generally know who is who and how good they are before the off-season workouts begin? (submitted by: Fort Worth, MARVelous)

It is mostly media hype. NFL teams are, as we speak, finalizing their draft boards; in fact, many will not be finished until days before the draft. Scouts are on the road for 14 weeks watching college football, so they have a good idea of who they like. Workouts are a time for general managers and coaches to see the players that the scouts have been recommending. I sat next to Eric Mangini this year at the Senior Bowl and fielded questions from him about players. Coaches are much too busy leading up to the January Senior Bowl to know much; that is their orientation period to the draft.

How far is the talent gap between Chris Long/Vernon Gholston and Derrick Harvey? What does Harvey have that Long/Gholston do not if that gap is small? (submittted by: killascript)

There is a gap, but it is mostly what Long and Gholston do that Harvey has not done yet. Harvey is more athletic than Long, but doesn't have his instincts or toughness. Harvey is a more well-rounded defensive end, whereas Gholston has struggled in a three-point stance at times. Harvey is a very good defensive end, and he should not make it out of the top 15 picks.

Which late round QB do you see being the most intriguing potential-wise, insofar as intelligence, football smarts and adequate arm strength go? (submitted by: Rocco58)

It's early to say who is late round or not, and with quarterbacks it truly only takes one team to fall in love with a player. I really like Josh Johnson of San Diego. He may not be a late-round guy, but he's raw and will need time to learn the NFL system. If you want a real sleeper, Kevin O'Connell is another player who may not be drafted high but could become a starter in the NFL.

How detailed does the grading system on prospects get? When they put the board together do they put a numerical grade on a player, are they categorized by round, or does it vary from team to team? When exactly does a player become a "stretch" or a "bargain"? (submitted by: south123, Bills fan in PA)

Numerical grades are the most popular system I've seen used or used myself. We used a numerical system with New Era Scouting in the beginning, but decided we did not like the idea of attaching a number to a skill set. NFL teams will use grades to rank players. This is very effective for grading 500+ players and for grouping purposes. It's hard, though, to place a grade on character and intangibles (the "Tom Brady factor", if you will). Most teams use the same values. Each position has specific traits and these are graded on a 1-5 or 1-10 scale. At some point, say 5, the player would be deemed a project player, or someone who would not be looked at as a starter.

I'd like to know how many college games scouts go to live or watch tape of. How do they scout the prospects: highlight clips, full game tapes, etc? (submitted by: Kurupt)

I can't speak for persons employed by NFL teams, but I can tell you my schedule. It begins in the spring by going to various spring practices, scrimmages and meeting with coaches. From there, myself and other scouts will attend summer practices. I am credentialed by the Big 12, and last season attended at least one game every weekend at a Big 12 stadium. Other people on my staff scout via film, which is what I recommend doing even after watching a game live. Highlight tapes are not effective, as you can manipulate the situations too much. Live games are exciting, but film is the best way to scout.

I've noticed that you have Limas Sweed rated as your top receiver, but the Bills do not like him at all. How do you compare Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas, and which prospect do you prefer? (submitted by: Brian Galliford)

We have Sweed rated as our number one receiver for a few reasons. They start with our belief that he is the most NFL-ready prospect at this time. He comes from a pro style passing system and has all of the skills we look for when grading a receiver. He is a big player with enough speed to separate from defenders, he also makes plays in traffic and over the middle. His production in the red zone is also among the best in the class.

Malcolm Kelly would be our number one receiver were there not so many questions about his injury history and his 40 time. I believe that tests like the 40-yard dash are best used to judge players, not grade them. Kelly and Sweed are ranked very closely in terms of wide receiver skills, but Sweed has only one injury on his card and ran very well at the Texas Pro Day. Devin Thomas is the most exciting of the three, but he has not been as productive nor does he have the experience that Kelly and Sweed carry. Thomas is able to help as a return man, something that the other top players do not have, but his lack of experience and only having one full season hurts his stock with us.

Dick Jauron recently outlined a Bills draft strategy that emphasizes following the value of the board, considering factors such as positional need secondary. What is your opinion on this draft strategy? (submitted by: sireric)

This is a very popular strategy, and a fine one. I don't think there is any one way to draft, which is why we all call it an inexact science. You have to stay true to your board, but in doing so you must also fill needs. You don't take a running back if you're the Bills in round one just because your highest ranked player is a running back. What the teams I have worked with will do is de-value positions of strength. For Buffalo, drafting a left tackle isn't going to be a need, so Jake Long wouldn't be ranked as a top three player. We may see a Bills draft board feature more receivers, tight ends and cornerbacks at the top as opposed to Matt Ryan and Jake Long. What this strategy means to me is that should Glenn Dorsey fall to the 11th pick, Buffalo would take him because he's a high value at 11 and a position where depth is always needed. Taking a defensive tackle at 12 can fit into your defense and possibly start, but taking a running back there wouldn't make sense.

What would you view as the "perfect draft" for the Bills? (submitted by: thatguy)

A perfect draft for Buffalo would see them address needs at wide receiver and tight end early in the draft. The Bills need to add a bigger receiver to line up opposite Lee Evans and help in the intermediate passing game. Adding a receiving threat at tight end will also help in this, and will give second-year quarterback Trent Edwards a much-needed safety valve and red zone target. After locking up a receiver and tight end, Buffalo should focus on depth at running back and a possible starter at center. The team could use an upgrade to the depth and overall talent at inside and outside linebacker. Most people may have cornerback higher on the list of needs, but the potential of Ashton Youboty is promising and I really like Terrence McGee. My perfect daft would be:

1-11. Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
2-41. Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
3-72. Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State
4-114. Jordan Grimes, OG, Purdue
4-132. Adam Spieker, C, Missouri
5-147. Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami (FL)
6-179. Tony Temple, RB, Missouri
7-219. Alex Brink, QB, Washington State
7-224. Nick Hayden, DT, Wisconsin
7-251. Kenny Iwebema, DE, Iowa

That's it! Many, many thanks to Matt Miller at New Era Scouting for the outstanding insight into the life of an NFL scout and this year's draft prospects. For anyone interested, NES is running a mock draft contest with cash prizes, so if you're interested in signing up, click through to that link! And, as always, comments on this interview are not only welcome, but encouraged.

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First thing first
Matt knows this is a Bills site right? You can't say Tom Brady here, thats illegal.

I found his mock very interesting, I thought the last two 7th rounders (Hayden,and Iwebema) would go a little higher, like say the 4th or 5th round. If the Bills could get them in the 7th that would be great.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 9, 2008 6:59 AM EDT   0 recs

An interesting mock...
I thought it was interesting that he said that LB was more of a need than CB but had Buffalo taking a CB in the 3rd round and a LB in the 5th. As for taking defensive linemen in the 7th, isn't the only way 7th rounders make the team by being good special team contributors right away? Wouldn't that be more of a LB role? Also, it's good to hear someone with some gravitas speak to the need for an immediate starting center. It's even better to hear that there are some plug-and-play centers out there. If Pollack is the most likely to displace Fowler why not take him in the 3rd (assuming he's still there? Fowler could then work on his chess game...

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2008 7:21 AM EDT   0 recs

Hmm...
I think what he means is that most people have cornerback higher on the list of needs than he does.

Or else he means that the Bills need more players at LB than they do at CB. After all, they lost four LBs from last year...

The one thing I'd change from that draft is take out Temple and add in a FB somewhere. I don't think the Bills will draft a RB, though they probably will add an undrafted free agent (or two) to take up some slack in the preseason.

by Krenn on Apr 9, 2008 8:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great stuff
Great job Brian on putting this together.  Good insight and a different view is always nice.  

I like to hear that he sees the Bills needs as many of us do hear as WR/TE.  I know that CB is also high according to geronimo and many of us on this site.  I don't think DRC fits the bills tampa-2 system, pointed out by Miller's take on a team would have to mold him into a tampa-2 corner.  I'm really skeptical about Youboty.  At the endy of the day, DJ and staff have a good feeling if he can produce, but if he hasn't shown much after 2 years I just am real skeptical that he will get it.  Meaning, I think CB is priority #2 after WR, despite Miller's feelings on T. McGee.  But having McGee, W. James, J. Greer, A. Youboty is not terrible is it?

I mean those guys are not studs but they are serviceable.  

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 9, 2008 10:16 AM EDT   0 recs

Definitely good
Great stuff there to clear up alot of our questions or concerns.

I am glad I am not the one picking for the Bills, but I like our chances of grabbing two or three starters in this draft.

The Bills can win every game

by killascript on Apr 9, 2008 10:31 AM EDT   0 recs

Good stuff
Thanks for getting that done Brian and thanks to Matt for taking the time to answer our questions.

Interesting that Matt sees a handful of Centers who could start this year. I agree Pollack is probably one, but I disagree on Justice. I think he's too small and not strong enough yet. I don't know much about Spieker.

Glad he doesn't see DRC as a good fit, because I don't either. We need an agressive tackling CB in our scheme and DRC is not that.

He almost makes it seem like Harvey and Gholston are similarly rated prospects (which they should be) though others don't feel that way. I like Harvey more than Gholston, at least at this stage in their development, because he can help against the run from day 1 while Gholston will need some time to develop that area of his game.

I still don't understand why the Bills don't like Sweed at all. I hope Geronimo has more to offer on that. Everything I've seen of him makes him look like a better player than Kelly. He looks to have better YAC abilities and goes up and gets the ball in traffic. I would not be angry at all if we took Sweed ahead of Kelly.

That mock sure is different. I don't like Scandrick because he's undersized, raw and not overly physical. Sure, he's got blazing speed, but I think we could use a CB with some size or at least someone who is more physical. I also don't like him that high in the draft. I'd take Tyvon Branch there if I was picking.

I really haven't heard or read much of anything about Grimes. Wonder why he's got him so high here. Same with Spieker. I haven't seen those guys higher than 6th round picks anywhere.

I see the Mizzou flavor is still part of Matt's Bills draft. I can't see us taking a bigger, physical RB again this year. If we take one, we need a speed back, IMO.

Gooden seems really low here. I've seen him as a 2nd/3rd rounder everywhere else. I hope he falls that far to us, that'd be a great pick.

I think Iwebema goes earlier than that, despite injury concerns. If we wait so long to pick a DE, we might as well take a guy with good pass rushing abilities even if he's undersized. We can rotate Spencer Johnson at DE on run downs in order to keep the 4 DE rotation in those situations, while being able to bring in a situational rusher on passing downs. I'm pretty sure Matt had given us Hilee Taylor from UNC when he did our mock originally. That's a guy I really like later in the draft as a situational player.

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2008 11:05 AM EDT   0 recs

Good stuff indeed
I would also like to thank Brian and Matt for doing this.

Kurupt: I respectfully disagree with your comments regarding DRC.  I think what DRC lacks can either be coached or developed.  As Matt mentioned, playing physical is as much mental as it is physical.  I think DRC could make considerable strength gains in an NFL strength and conditioning program.  Also, the theory that great cornerbacks (those with the ability to cover) are not required in the Cover 2, combined with the idea that DRC is not a perfect fit for Buffalo's zone defense, are some of the reasons why I like DRC so much.  I don't want the Bills to be limited to doing only certain things, in any phase of the game.  I hate limitations.  I want the Bills to have the talent to adjust their schemes or playing style to their advantage based on their opponent, game situation, individual matchup, etc. so they can have the best chance at consistent success.

In addition, I don't understand why you like Derrick Harvey more than Vernon Gholston, even right now.  Besides competition, developing talent is what the NFL is all about.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 9, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

DRC
How do you teach someone to play more physical?  As you mentioned, it's more mental than anything.  If he wasn't a physical player at the D2 level, what makes anyone think he'll be any different in the NFL?  I want a CB who is going to help against the run and not be a weak tackler. I don't think DRC is ever going to be that...
~K

by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well
To me, mental in this context means that it can be taught and learned.  I think that DRC can be taught and learn to play more physical and definitely how to tackle better.

Even if he only becomes an average tackler, DRC's rare talent in so many other areas, as well as the uncommon flexibility and versatility that he would provide to the Bills' defense, is why I would like to see him in a Bills uniform.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 9, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

DRC
I would have to think that maybe he didn't have to be as physical at the level in which he played in college.

I would be happy if we traded down to get DRC but I am not sure about him at #11. I would take Harvey, McKelvin, Kelly, Thomas or Sweed at #11 and maybe Jenkins.

by hilliarddavid on Apr 9, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why waste a pick for a RB???
We do have one less RB in our stable this year, but why waste a pick... I don't think we need to take a RB this year, esp given all of our other needs... and with Freddie surging, is this the best way to use a 6th round pick?

Instead, in the 6th, lets take a FB like Payton Hillis (Ark) or Jehu Culkrick (MichSt)... to block for the RBs we already have.

OR

In the 6th, lets take a CB/Return man like Zack Bowman (Neb) or Antwaun Molden (eKY)

Can someone give me a rationale for taking a RB this year... in any round?

MEASUREABLES:
Jehu Culkrick (MichSt)- (6'0,254,4.7)
Payton Hillis (Ark)- (6'1,240,4.6)

Zack Bowman (Neb)- (6'0,197,4.38)
Antwaun Molden (eKY)- (6'1,198,4.44)

by osmanBAE on Apr 9, 2008 11:14 AM EDT   0 recs

RB
Well the rationale for taking a RB would be that Wright looked like garbage last year and is as slow as molasses, Freddy is a FA after the season and is already 27 years old.  Many Bills fans would like to believe we have a ton of depth at the position, but I'm not sold on that. Freddy is a nice change of pace back with great receiving skills, but I don't see him as a long term backup solution. I don't like Wright at all. He looked terrible in the preseason last year and that carried over.  

If anything, I hope we add a speedier back. I don't like the Temple pick because he's similar to the guys we have. If we do draft a RB, I'd love a homerun threat, even a guy who can return kicks.

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Temple
I don't like the Temple pick because he's similar to the guys we have. If we do draft a RB, I'd love a homerun threat, even a guy who can return kicks.

Temple is a home run threat who can return kicks. He's smallish (210 pounds), fast (4.47) and according to Matt can return kicks, though he was never asked to do it routinely. How does that make Temple a bad pick then?

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 9, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Temple plays slow
Kurupt has a point that we do need some depth at RB... but I don't think there's much diff between a 6th round RB and a undrafted RB that we invite to camp... right?  We got more pressing needs that need to be addressed with our draft picks, like at FB...

We did add a FB in free agency, but we need to build that position such that our FB core can actually take some carries and be productive picking up 1st downs.

As for Temple... i know this guy's game and I wouldn't consider him a HR threat, per se... and I don't think his combine 40 (4.47) is his playing speed... (imho, his teammate Rucker plays faster) the fact is he's pretty short.. and sometimes short guys look faster than they are b/c their legs move faster vs the long legged guys... if we need a "faster" option in the late rounds... what's wrong with Anthony Alridge from Houston (5'9,170,4.36)???  1600yrds, 6.2yrd/carry, 14TDs ... although i'm not sure he does returns.

by osmanBAE on Apr 9, 2008 11:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

4.47?
I thought I read a 4.62. His numbers don't really seem to indicate he's a big play threat, to me. I see he also had an arrest on his resume.
~K

by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2008 12:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Arrests are bad
I'll grant you that. But 2100 yards and 19 touchdowns over the last two years, in a predominantly pass-oriented offense, aren't good enough numbers for you? He's a flawed player and he's probably overvaluing himself, but he's got talent.

This profile says 4.47.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 9, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

4.49
4.62 is Mike Hart slow... he does look faster than Hart... his pro-day 40 was 4.49... he wasn't invited to the combine... (perhaps unfairly b/c he's in a Hawaii-type offense and cuz Mizzou has such an awesome WR core)  

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=8414

his pro day run
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S57ECeu5YbA&feature=related

by osmanBAE on Apr 9, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed
if we do add a RB it should be a scat back.  Someone who can take 1-3 carries a game or get on a screen and see what can happen.

I think it is crucial this year to have someone take 5-10 carries away from Lynch cuz otherwise he is going to wear down.  If that is Freddy great, I hope Dwayne Wright can surprise some people this year.  RB is a position that you just have to hit the hole, so hopefully Wright works out well and gets into camp in shape and ready to roll.

I'm guessing on Sweed it must be that they don't like his work ethic/character as much as Kelly.  Plus Kelly has those GREAT hands, that I think has Modrak drooling all over him.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 9, 2008 11:29 AM EDT   0 recs

CB
I think it's pretty clear that if Buffalo drafts a CB at all it will be someone from Ohio State.

by Ron From NM on Apr 9, 2008 11:56 AM EDT   0 recs

Next year?
Early 2009 NFL Draft predictions: Buffalo selects CB Malcolm Jenkins in the first round.

by Krenn on Apr 9, 2008 1:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Somehow I pray
that we find a way to draft Badgers Paul Hubbard and Jack Ikegwuono.  Ikeg could start in 09', and if we grab Harvey, a CB like Flowers, and even Pollack in the 3rd, Hubbard has got the measurables to start right away although it will take some effective coaching this summer.

I'm still wondering why all reports state we have no interest in Sweed.  From what I've seen, I'd take Sweed over Kelly as well.

Anti-CB

by Kumario! on Apr 9, 2008 1:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Hubbard
Why?

Why would anybody want this guy? He did NOTHING in college and we're going to assume he's going to all of a sudden make a big impact in the NFL?  Maybe a few years down the road, but I really can't imagine that guy doing much early on.

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 9, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Malcolm kelly
so much for kelly he ran a 4.7 at his pro day sweed and thomas is way over him now

by The Buffalonian on Apr 9, 2008 2:51 PM EDT   0 recs

sweed
Yea, they suspect Kelly not a 100% yet but still dissappointing. i still would prefer Sweed
Still waiting on the next Kelly....

by silverstreak3k on Apr 9, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have to question
his suggestion that we need depth at Running Back.  With Jackson and Wright there I don't see us drafting one, especially with all 3 of our current backs being young already.  

by Buffalonian by the Grace of God on Apr 9, 2008 4:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Harvey
While I love Harvey and the idea of having a threat on the left side, this would severely hurt our chances of getting a viable tight end because then we will be forced to draft one in the second pushing tight end to the 3rd or 4th.  Have to go WR in round one.

by Buffalonian by the Grace of God on Apr 9, 2008 4:29 PM EDT   0 recs

The Wide Reciever Position
Say the Bills take a receiver in the first, say Sweed or Kelly. They then take a corner in the second, say either Flowers or Cason. I would then like to see them trade up to the late second or early third round and take either Caldwell or Doucet . Both of these guys have good size compared to any other receiver on the Bills roster and they could still take Carlson from Notre Dame of Cottom from Tennessee in the fourth. I think Russ would earn some major creditability with a draft like that.  

by lukeiz21 on Apr 9, 2008 4:51 PM EDT   0 recs

CB
If OBD does not go CB in the first, I hope they go for Patrick Lee or Chas Godfrey. I'm not a Flowers fan. Too short. We do not need any more undersized players. Flowers - 5'9 3/4.

by keuka121 on Apr 9, 2008 5:23 PM EDT   0 recs

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