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Like I said before,With 3 cream puffs to open the season and a bye week 4, He wont be truly needed till week 5 in Pittsburg. That would give him six weeks to get into shape for the Grind weeks 5-17 and beyond.

What do you guys think about this..

Obviously, it'll take a few weeks for strahan to get ready so like Demo said, he'll be on the field week 3-5

It seems like a alot of money to pay for one season and he would miss a fifth of the season.  What about signing Strahan to 2 year 14-16 million contract?

If this ever happens, Strahan may receive the loudest, longest, standing O in Giants Stadium history a week from Thursday.

Man, I'm surprisingly excited about this. While in my head I doubted his return (probably to prevent myself from being let down) I'm surely glad to see things have been set in motion. Make it happen Reese, I'm the Giants fan base will thank you for it

Original G- if that happens, you gotta believe we'll put a stomping on the Skins similar to after Mara passed. That would be a great friggin start huh?

If he does decide to come back, which I believe he will, I'll be curious to see how his contract with FOX is handled...

original - i dunno man i think the standing O that farve receives the first time he smashes up the pats D this year might be louder since the jets fans have the attention span of hamsters and farve fever is almost running wilder then hulkamnia did in most of our childhoods (or at least till hogan knows best), or did you mean just in giants history?

i know this me and my friends down here in FL will be loud and obnoxious to all the people in the sports bar we go to to watch the jints play if and when #92 comes running out in pads and ready to go.

I still doubt he is coming back, but come on Strahan we need you. It would be one hell of a farewell tour, hopefully all the way to Tampa...lol

Kevin- where in FL are you?

dan - i'm sure it'll be fine since strahan's been a correspondant for a while now even while he was a player like someone said a few threads ago i'm sure the giants ownership could get the contract pushed back with a wink and a nod from the ownership ...its like when keyshawn was thinking about coming back i'm sure theres places in the contract they have for a return to football

melbourne area, spcifically satellite beach a little more then an hour east of O-town - the super tourist trap

yeah , kevin , and whats the name of the bar ?I am going down in sept for 2 weeks -ft lauderdale -miami

area

sorry kevin I posted beforew ur answer - Anyone else

with any insight ?

you know what's funny?  I'm sitting in a restaurant/bar on sunday when I read on the botton line of espn that osi would be out for the season and immediately my day was ruined.  Then of all people my girlfriend says maybe the giants will try to get Strahan to come back.  And not to give her the satisfaction of thinking of that before I could I replied nah he's already got a contract with FOX, but really in my head I was thinking Holy S*** I love you. lol You can't let girlfriends be right especially when it comes to something you are supposed to be all knowing about.

The diference between Stahan and Favres situation is all in the reasons.  Favre switched teams in his come back and broke the hearts of his former Green Bay fans.  Im not saying it was his fault, but that is the reality he was replaced.  Strahan's return on the other hand will almost be like Greek Mythos.  The conquering hero returning home to defend his kingdom in its time of need.  Basically if he runs out from the tunnel on thursday night Im going to piss myself.  

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;

Or close the wall up with our Giant dead.

In peace there's nothing so becomes a man

As modest stillness and humility:

But when the blast of war blows in our ears,

Then imitate the action of the tiger;

Boojaaa- "Basically if he runs out from the tunnel on thursday night Im going to piss myself."-   LOL!!

That is priceless!

csherm91 -

Lmao. That comment made me laugh because I know EXACTLY what you mean

hkiswani said:

One thing however, I have still gotten a few e-mails since last night about the return of Strahan being very much a possibility. So don't close the book on that just yet.

The Giants made the best move they could here. I feel very good about Kiwi lining back up outside.

August 25, 2008 11:24 AM [Delete]

The Real Bryan McCoy  said:

Haz - I'll put my info/beliefs up against yours re Strahan:  Its over.

August 25, 2008 11:42 AM

Where's Bryan? ; )

Whoever said that they heard espn say Kiwi is 6'7, I just heard Ed Holtzman say it. Don't know if it's true if so he was probably the tallest LB in the history of the game.

csherm91...man im on vacation in the outter banks NC! i read that piece on osi and ruined my whole vaca...almost anyway. im stayin positive and realize that we still have good players on D that can do a great job... if 92 comes back...wow!

im not gonna piss myself like some of you clowns, (hahaha!)

ima do one better...i might have an orgasm! hahaha!

Wow.

I truly believed Strahan was sincere when he said he was through with football. I thought all this talk of him returning was silly.

But in light of Jordan, Clemens, Favre et. al., I guess the concept of retirement is now a fungible thing.

In any case, I'm glad I was wrong. This is a real nice development for the Giants and their fans.

wasnt Ted hendricks HOF lb for the raiders 6'7?

Haz/Dan-

I hope you guys are right about this one. If nothing else the signing would be a huge moral boost to the troops after losing a very valued solidier. But I believe Strahan still has plenty of game left. It might take him a few games to condition himself, but I still think he's got it. I don't care if you are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, whatever, say a little prayer that Strahan comes back. I know I think the team can still win without him. I just don't think they can go far in the playoffs without him and Osi.

giantt- can never go wrong with beef o'bradys if they have one in the area i'm sure they do, but if you're in ft lauderdale area there is always marino's steakhouse other then that i'm lost as to where to go in lauderdale other then clubs and even there i'm out of date by like 2 years lol (damn marriage really edges into my partying), also if they have a damon's down there by all means go there they have like 80 ft screens and booth volume controls and great food. other then that i'm more north i can watch the shuttle go up from my back yard and feel the sonic boom shake me while i'm in my pool lol

back to football .. i saw on rotoworld negotiations have begun with strahan any word haz or anyone else?

This would be HUGE if #92 were to come back.

Think about this.  Home against Washington is a very winnable game.  We then play the Rams in St. Loo, and then go back home to face a banged up Cincy team.  That is three extremely winnable games.  If Strahan were to come back, figure he'd take 2-3 weeks to get back into "football shape," probably closer to three weeks since he is now ten pounds lighter...by Week 5 against Seattle, he'd be back to his old self, more or less.  Best possible scenario, we win our first three games while Stray is getting back into shape, and then we'd have an in-shape Stray for Week 5 and beyond.  Sounds damned good to me.

Man stray really has an opportunity to become the stuff of legends if he comes back and has a great year and the giants repeat..Talk about a hollywood ending..Come back Stray we need U...

Now I just watched NFL Live and boy I am ticked,Marcellus Wiley just basically said we have no chance to make the playoffs without Osi..He said the redskins,eagles,Tampa,Vikings are all ahead of us just to make the wild card..Then they say Merrimans loss to the Chargers isnt as bad because the Chargers have the players to replace him..Wow talk about disrespect to the rest of the giants..You think thats gonna put them up,Thanks Wiley u idiot..

Now on Osi,This really sucks not having him this year.He was looking great,,but It almost seems like this was bound to happen 2 his knee,with prior problems to that area,I think after surgery he will be back better then ever next year.

Funny.  A week or so ago, I recall reading some posts griping that the league had scheduled the Giants' bye week way too early.

But, with a possible Strahan return in the works, it now looks like it could be right on time.  

Extra, extra, read all about it!   Strahan signed by giants.  Kiwi moved to new role as backup QB.  Coughlin, "We talked to Kiwi about becoming our new backup QB and he was willing to make the move.  We are also giving him reps as place kicker in case the Tynes situation goes south."

i would luv have strahan come back..but how is pierce and plax gonna feel if they dish out all this money to him and not extend their own contracts? i feel this will cause some problems for the giants in teh future...

I have to post this because I have been looking for it,and finally found it..If you have not seen this u gotta watch..

The full Eli and Peyton,NBC opening season commercial,THis could be one of the funniest commercials I have seen..Check it out..

www.youtube.com/watch

One of the best Commercials EVER,Hungry Hippos thats old school haa!!

Now back to Strahan....

I forgot to say anybody who ever played the Original Nintendo when they had that running pad with the track and field game and you jump hurdels and stuff..Im pretty sure thats what Eli is running on,,haa classic...

Mike V- I said the same thing upthread and also yesterday. It is set up right for the heros return

Also- that is incorrect of ESPN ( Suprise)- Kiwi is 6'5 not 6'7

fitz, that commercial is pretty good. I cracked up when I saw the hippos. My kids were playing fiercely at that game 20+ years ago. Of course it shocked me when I suddenly realized the Manning boys are the same age as my children. But that's another story.

When people start quoting Homer on this site I'd say we've upgraded the neighborhood.

ff55y,Haa...I also have to say I thats some Apartment Eli has overlooking the City with the the SB trophy sitting their..NOt bad Eli not Bad...I gotta try to make enough money to afford one of those hoboken Apts.

fitz - all kinds of people are saying the same crap especially patriots fans ..oh boy do they hate us, i can very much picture a civil war happening between boston and NY over sports lol

screw em all 1 player doesn't make the whole team ..trust me osi's a huge loss but we'll manage and i think we will manage very well

i hope brett and the jets stomp out the pats playoff and superbowl dreams ..f* boston

Based on his initial remarks he made, I felt 92 would come back if the team wanted or needed him.

I still feel that way and I think Reese will make him a good offer.  I still want to know if we really have talent at DE behind the front line players.  If this plays out or not we will know if we have players or pretenders in reserve.

For good measure I will say once again Kiwi should be allowed to walk up and rush the passer or drop back into coverage or spy.  That should work if Stra comes back or not.  

Kevin,,Im tellin you I love Osi and he is one of our best players, but you would think we also lost Eli in that game, the way everybody is hating on the giants now sayin we wont even get in the playoffs..This will only fuel the fire...

While I personally LOVE Strahan...am I the only one that DOESN'T want him coming out of retirement? I really think he truely went out on top, and don't think there's a better way to end your career than how #92 did.  Aside from that, with an asking price of $8 million...I think we should save the cap room.  We've got a BUNCH of guys who're gonna need extensions-Burress, Jacobs, Webster, Dockery...and Eli and Bradshaw at some point.  

Personally, I'd rather have Kiwi and Tuck out there, with Wilkinson and Clark at LB, unless Kehl proves to be better...and use some of that money this next off season to lock up our guys and go after someone like Asomugha, who's already said he won't re-sign with the Raiders.

Like I said, as much as I'd love to have him back...I really think it's a bad move.  If he comes back it's gonna take him a bit to get into shape, as he's been enjoying his retirement; thus we'd be paying 8+ mil for 10-12 games...and then if he doesn't win another Super Bowl, or perform as well as he did last season...it will somewhat tarnish what he did last season.  I think we should let Kiwi and the other guys get the job done, and pursue someone in the off season, be it by free agency, trade...or more likely, the draft.

I do agree that I like seeing Strahan go out on top because SO many stars try to keep playing and look like shells of their former self out there and it's just sad. For instance, Jerry Rice playing. That was just a complete joke.

As for Strahan, he did have a great season and he went out on the biggest note you can go. However, we really do need him and the reason I'd welcome him back with open arms is because I'd rather have Kiwi at LB than DE because he's been training all year for that, same as last year. Why constantly screw with him? He's a hybrid LB/DE, but he's getting better and better at the LB position. I think he'll truly be great there (not LT or Carson great), but great enough where we'll see him there and won't worry 1 bit about needing another linebacker in that spot (to start).

Also, Wilkinson has had a lot of hamstring injuries and what not lately. I'd rather have him and Clark back there, just in case. It helps add depth and that's what our team is renown for, having great depth at many positions.

Strahan is a Hall of Fame player...I won't mind seeing him back at all, plus the money comes off the book after this season and we have the money free NOW, so get him for this year and we'll have money freed up next year as well (plus the salary cap gets higher again so we'll have even more).

You know, as I think about this whole situation some more I think that there are some interesting permutations that could actually be helpful.

Let's assume Strahan does NOT come back. So what we've got is Clark at SAM (where he probably offers excellent run defense and can use his aggressiveness that he has shown throughout his career). While I don't think he's the equal of Kiwi at that position by any means, he is a proven, professional, linebacker, very much of the Kawika Mitchell variety but probably a bit more athletic than Mitchell. He is probably superior to what the Giants had there at the end of last season when Torbor was playing SAM. Torber may be somewhat better in pass coverage but not as good at stopping the run.

Then we have Wilkinson at WILL versus Mitchell. Now, I won't bore all of you by repeating what I've said many times, but I think Wilkinson is a significant upgrade over Mitchell, if only because he can get to the quarterback (which has now become more crucial in Osi's absence) and cover pretty speedy receivers downfield as necessary. I think he'll prove a game-changer. He was impressive against the Jets in a game that didn't mean much, and VERY impressive against the Pats in a game that did at the end of last season.

So, with this shift I actually think the Giants linebackers became superior to the group that sliced through the playoffs and won the Lombardi Trophy. They aren't as good as they would have been with Kiwi back there, but they are still better than what was most definitely "good enough" at the end of last season. And I think Kehl is probably going to have some impact this season which he may not have had otherwise. Another example of having to throw a rookie into the fray and seeing what he's got. That worked out extremely well last season and that may well be the case again.

So, okay, you have to think Kiwi is a bit of a downgrade from Osi, but he was considered by the Giants as the top DE to come out in his draft year. We know Reese has a great eye for talent, as does Waufle. So while it's a downgrade it's far from a disaster.

Where this becomes a potential problem is in regard to depth on both the defensive line and at linebacker. There isn't enough, but Wynn will definitely give them something and Alford will definitely play a bigger role this season. It appears Cofield and Robbins are ready to have better years than they did last season because they're both in great shape. Who knows about Gilberry, Tollefson and whomever else is on the depth chart, but barring injury the Giants should be okay on the line. Linebacker could be more of a problem because Blackburn isn't a natural OLB and it appears DeOssie may not be a lot of help. I don't know what the story is with Goff. If he is okay then he can probably help at SAM. I assume that unless Strahan comes back then Tank Daniels has now made the team, and he may be a sleeper. In any case, the Giants are not decimated.

And then if Strahan returns (please God...make it happen) all of the above guys will have been able to show what they can do in weeks 1-3 and, at the very least, the Giants will have created a fantastic combination of relatively interchangeable pieces where players know so many positions that the Giants insurance against injuries will be the best in the NFL. And that would be a critical advantage that could be the difference between getting back to the Super Bowl or not.

I'm not saying it's a good thing Osi was hurt. It was a bad deal, very bad luck and definitely a weakening of the defense. But the "experts" who are claiming this destroys this team are just not as familiar with it as are we. This gives some guys a chance to step up and prove themselves. If the team can get Strahan back in uniform, who knows, this could turn into a net positive.

55 - not for nothing man i love osi but he's one guy on a TEAM, yes he's hugely talented, yes he makes plays, yes he's a huge part of that TEAM but he's not the end of the world for the jints despite what the A-hole pats fans and dumbass analysts that hate the giants because they made it apparent to us giants fans that they know nothing about analyzing football say(say that all in one breath lol) ...our season is NOT in ruins and we still have a highly talented offense and an extremely gifted DC that will figure out how to make the loss of Osi next to irrelevent and other talented players on D ..now before the naysayers like good ole' bryan and frank pounce on me for my optimism ..if they do at all if not thats cool too ... i'll say this strahan will most certainly help in many ways including morale but by all means its not the end of the season and if any giants fans say it is please check your sack and if anyone not a giants fan says it screw off

have some faith and keep hope alive don't hit the panic button yet or at least not until u see eli's out and david carr is at center for the rest of the season (god forbid) giants and jets will forever be the underdogs even after winning superbowls everyone hates NY and once again its time for the boys in blue to show them why again this season

I disagree with the idea of Wilkinson being a better LB than K. Mitchell.  Mitchell was outstanding for us last year, Wilkinson showed some flashes in the regular season finale vs the Pats, that is about it......

Regardless if Strahan is coming back or not, people need to stop using the money as an issue. We're currently 12 million under the cap, that is basically dead money. Its not like the money rolls over. This is not AT&T guys. If we pay him now, and he leaves next year. We get the money back to extend whoever we need.  Burress and Jacobs are the first priorities. Webster-not so much, Dockery- are you kidding me?...and Eli and Bradshaw will be for enough into the future that Mike will practically be in the HOF (slight exaggeration) Point being, the cap has NO bearing on whether or not he comes back.

haha tony.... a t & t good point pay the man the dough

Update: Fox Sports has said they will support Strahan if he opts to return.

See, if Fox is willing to let him out of the contract (and have him come back after he's done for good with the Giants) then I think that would be great for them. It would definitely cement them above, I dunno..CBS Sportsline? (though I do enjoy their website a bit more).

It would be a classy move to allow him to go play, even though he signed a contract earlier. This is why Fox Pre-game > anyother ... as long as Jimmy Jones doesn't talk all too much + everyone continues to rip Terry Bradshaw a new 1.

dan

where did you see that? thats huge news...should help stra make a decision...they came out early and said it, good news

I saw that too on Espn earlier..Looks like this might be one step closer

Forget Osi. It appears the Giants wil be going into the season without another player for whom we had even greater expectations.

The incomparable DJ Hall was waived today - along with Craig Dahl and Miguel Scott.

www.giants.com/.../story.asp

So then they put Strahan at left end, move Tuck to right end and Kiwi back to LB?

all the pieces are in place for Strahans return....my gawd will he get a hero's welcome Thursday night sept 4th!

First off being concerned that your team just lost a pro bowl DE does not mean your writing off the season especially in August. It's just common sense to be concerned about it.  So all you idiots blabbering on and on about evryone writing off the season should really chill. I know you like to read everything you post as gospel but it's beyond annoying.

Moving forward, even if Strahan does come back which would be great we could still use Kiwi, Tuck and Strahan to get pressure as we did last season with Tuck coming up the gut. I see no reason to move Kiwi back regardless of Strahan coming back. Next year we would be better off drafting / signing a decent linebacker and leave Kiwi at end where he is sure to shine. He was barely grasping the LB dutuies when he got hurt but some of you revisionists have turned him into a pro bowler in the off season.

Michael Strahan-DL- Giants Aug. 25 - 8:23 pm et

The agent for Michael Strahan confirmed that returning to the Giants is "something (his client) is thinking about."

There appears to be a good chance that this (re)marriage will happen. The agent says Strahan "feels the ship isn’t even out of the harbor and they’re already taking on the cannons. He feels like maybe he should jump back in there." Strahan's contract with FOX is reportedly easy to get out of. He's in Greece now, but could be back in the states by the end of the week.

Source: New York Daily News

You know... for what it's worth... if Strahan comes back that's a hell of a gesture.  Win or lose he's going to get massive points in my book if he straps it on for another season.  Talk about manning up.

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If Strahan does come back does this mean that Kiwi will not be playing any snaps at DE?  Will he play a significant amount of downs at DE other than at obviose passing downs?  I still don't like the depth behind our starters even if Strahan comes back....

nice sheridan, calling people idiots for blowing the whistle on folks who clearly were panicked about a single injury, and who had the temerity to suggest that the sky was not falling (and offer reasons why that is so). Very clever and extremely incisive of you. Also respectful. If I weren't more polite and open-minded I might think that was the comment of an abject moron, but I tend to give others the benefit of the doubt.

Misguided? Maybe. Moronic? Nah, at least not that I'd admit to thinking was the case.

Looks increasingly like Haz' sources were giving him excellent information. I was very much a doubter in regard to the return of #92 (although I hope and pray he'll come back as a conquering hero...and as I said earlier, he has a great chance to become a critical figure in New York sports lore...I mean this is a Willis Reid moment, a Reggie Jackson Mr. October moment, a Mariano rescuing the Yanks over-and-over to get all those rings, an Eli-to-Tyree moment, a Don Larson perfect game and a Willie Mays catch against Vic Wertz....it's BIG if he comes riding to the rescue) but I'm starting to believe a little. Still skeptical, but there's certainly some smoke here. Hopefully there's fire as well.

Anyway, nice job Haz. Keep digging away at those sources.

i've said it over and over again since my years of finding g101 haz and benton are the shiznit and a half and we giants fans are fortunate to have sources like these guys available to them they should be working for the major sites like SI or espn but we have them for free

Even if Michael "the Sunday Afternoon Warrior " comes to our rescue, I have come up with an idea.

** Writer, posters, Giants fans all over, we should start a petition to get rid of that horrible turf at Giants Stadium.  Does anyone want to start?  Can anyone have any conections?  I can't think to help that we would have a healthy ready to kick butt DE in his PRIME in #72 if the field was grass & not that knee-jerking turf.