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• Farago said 28 days ago

  Wow, I don't know about that one....

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  • klmall replied 28 days ago

    NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • nathang replied 27 days ago

    I think shogun won the fight and it must be very disheartening to him. I bet it must make dana, ufc fans and ufc fighters nervous that judges can be so blind. EVERY site I've gone to where they judged the fight, they had shogun winning as do over 70% of the fans, and I bet most are machida fans. The fight was very surprising to me, shogun fought the perfect fight and was robbed of the title,money and fame. One of the worst decisions I've seen in the UFC, and I was a huge machida fan.
  • klmall replied 27 days ago

    I so agree with you nathang...
  • nathang replied 26 days ago

    Had to give you a thumbs up Klmall ;). I "almost" felt like crying(I amost never feel that way) after the machida fight, seeing him actually lose in my eyes, I'm I HUGE machida fan, and see him get obviously beaten, you could see it in his eyes, and his battered body and to top it off rob shogun of the title which he obviously earned. I'm 100% biased toward's machida, but I'm not blind...bull s**t decision!!!! I really wanted machida win, but not like this, I would love to see all those f**king judges fired.
• Farago said 28 days ago

  I just don't get it, the shots and kicks Shogun landed, I don't know how the Dragon added up.....

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• Canuck said 28 days ago

  Nope....Rua was the agressor and landed soooooo many damaging kicks. Lyoto didn't do enough to win. No idea what the judges were watching...lol. next thing you know they'll say oooops we meant to write down Shogun's name..LOL

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• Farago said 28 days ago

  ha ha, as they should, I guess we must not have seen half of the fight.... :-)

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• Canuck said 28 days ago

  It was a good fight and I think Rua should get a rematch right away

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  • Farago replied 28 days ago

    That will never happen, but they should meet again someday.....
  • Canuck replied 28 days ago

    I think Dana and the UFC will take a lot of heat after this result....he might be forced to sign a rematch
• Farago said 28 days ago

  Send him your tweets :-) danawhiteufc ha ha ha

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  • Canuck replied 28 days ago

    lol....I'm sure he'll be getting them all night long
• chris8 said 28 days ago

  I saw the fight and thought Machida lost 4 rounds to 1. Unanimous decision?????? Not even a split decision, but unanimous????? Come on!! Shogun won that fight 4-1, no questions!
  
  Dana are your hands dirty????

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• DavidHK said 28 days ago

  As much as i like Machida, lets be real; there's no way he won that fight, let alone by unanimous decision...I really feel bad for Shogun right now.

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  • nathang replied 26 days ago

    I also feel bad for machida, he was embarrassed and booed, and I'm pretty sure he knows he didn't win, I bet he feels like s**t, and I bet he can't walk properly today.
  • klmall replied 26 days ago

    Exactly....Machida had to have felt like sh*t :(
• crazycanuck said 28 days ago

  It was a close fight imo. Good leg kicks from Rua. But that's all I've seen from him. The thing with Machida is you need to look closely or watch the fight a few times to see all the punches and knees that land. He also got his fair share of kicks to the gut to. It doesn't help either when you have Joe Rogan only calling the shots for Rua. He should be more unbiased in his calling fights. What about Rumble Johnson? DAMN!

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  • Francois replied 28 days ago

    Well,we dont need joe rogan to hear those nasty kick from Rua.Machida won a close round three,thats'it!!Its a shame!
    
  • crazycanuck replied 28 days ago

    True. But leg kicks alone imo don't win championship fights. The thing I'm saying about Rogan is. Machida throws a kick to Rua's mid section and Rua throws a counter leg kick right. Well Rogan was always mentioning like, "Oh what a leg kick by Rua" and not the mid section kick from Machida. But the jugdes see that mid section kick though.
  • CTgirl replied 28 days ago

    I'm with you on this one. I watched the same fight as everyone else and I didn't think Rua was winning at any point. And Johnson definately did his thing. Hope to see more of him.
  • BYAnyWear replied 28 days ago

    Forrest won by leg kicks.. so why don't you think Rua shouldn't have won by leg and body kicks?
  • crazycanuck replied 28 days ago

    Yeah. Griffin won by leg kicks alone. Don`t take it wrong man, but I`m glad you`re not a judge. LOL
  • Clintmathewson replied 27 days ago

    Someone copy this page.. cause I am going to agree with CrazyCanuck. They got the winner of that fight correct. Machida won.. maybe the scoring was wrong...but the winner was still the champ. Knees were nasty... Machida was never staggered.. shogun was staggered a few times.. no one was on their back...Machida won. Come on!? I think everyone is so blown away that Machida actually got HIT.. so they immediately want to give the fight to the guy that was able to hit him. As far as Anthony Johnson goes... if he doesnt stay away from the weights.. he will no longer be a WW. The guys walks around a heavy weight and eclipses two divisions on his way to completing his cut. He needs to focus strictly on cardio and plyos.. or hes going to be a middle weight. That fight was BEYONE unfair. Rumble is a legit LHW.. let ALONE a WW.
  • crazycanuck replied 27 days ago

    Clint, you can't see me. But I'm smiling from ear to ear. LOL :)
    That poor Japanese fellow that had to face Rumble. OUCH!
    Rua looks like he could make MW as well. He had a bit of excess
    insulation around the mid section last night.
  • Clintmathewson replied 27 days ago

    Rua was soft looking. Middle weight...Possibly. Pride let those guys show up all juiced up. They didnt care what kind of drugs their fighters were on
  • tikitmb replied 27 days ago

    Can you believe that mess!? A.J had to drop from 230 to make or miss 170 for this fight. Granted he was injured but thats more than ridiculous to have to drop that much weight. His walk around is actually heavier than A.Silva and their the same height.
  • Farago replied 27 days ago

    He said he was injured but wow, he was in shape, something tells me he didn't have anything left to lose.... he should be up a division for sure!
  • BYAnyWear replied 26 days ago

    Im not saying Forrest won that fight either people are sayin that a title should go over decisively..and personally i think the Rua fight was more obvious then the Quinton Forrest fight.
• CarlaC said 28 days ago

  Shogun was robbed, no if ands or butts!!! Just kick after kick after kick!!!

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• funkywanderer said 28 days ago

  Yes, that was robbery. I like both fighters, so I wasn't really pulling for either, but rather hoping for a competitive match. It was a tough fight to call, but to me it seemed like Shogun landed more damaging blows, and was more aggressive. For those two reasons, I gave the fight to him.
  
  I'm not a big proponent of immediate rematches, but I think this might be a good argument for that. Either way, it's nice to see that Shogun finally appears to be back to his old self.

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  • Farago replied 28 days ago

    Agreed
• BCswede said 28 days ago

  I'm a HUGE Machida fan.... and I'm pissed!. Dana better man up and rematch ASAP.

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• DavidHK said 28 days ago

  I was one of the very few who said this fight would be competitive, and im just glad we got to witness a great technical display of 2 great fighting styles. That, to me, was a classic lhw title bout. Its just a bit tainted with the decision.
  
  Honestly, Rua did just as well, if not better than Forrest, when the latter fought Rampage. Yet we get a win for Griffin and a unanimous loss for Rua!? Something is not right here...

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  • tikitmb replied 28 days ago

    didn't you get the memo? it's the beginning of the machida era, hard to accomplish that if he loses in a five round battle.
    
    kinda makes people think that some may have jumped the gun in saying he'd beat Silva and lesnar.
  • GGtheOldMan replied 28 days ago

    Good point Tiki.
    I think this loss (win) by Machida will be good for him. It also erases the "invincibility" mistique he had. He is still one of my fav fighters. Shogun fought an excellent fight.
  • Farago replied 28 days ago

    Totally agree with you on that...
• derelique38 said 28 days ago

  Dana himself said to rua after the mater 'you wont that fight'. CSAC sux a$$. BJ penns fave commission, it has to suck a$$. Shogun was robbed. won rd 1-2-4 & 5

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  • DavidHK replied 28 days ago

    yes, saw the fight again, and it does seem Dana told Shogun exactly that twice in a row...
  • crazycanuck replied 28 days ago

    Actually. Dana said "What a fight", "What a fight".
  • derelique38 replied 27 days ago

    Damn I should proof read before i submit...lol. Making about as much sense as monster now.
• GGtheOldMan said 28 days ago

  On many of the kicks that Rua landed Machida countered with a head shot. The judges obviously gave the punching more credit than the kicks. I recorded the fight and watched it a couple of times and IMO Machida had more strikes landed. I need to see the official strike count.
  

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  • Francois replied 28 days ago

    Those few counters that touch Rua were barely landing.Nothing even close to the damage that Rua did with his kick,knees and elbows.
    
  • tikitmb replied 27 days ago

    Umm... I'm thinking you need to watch it in slow moe, cause it was a bit different than they way you recall it.
    
    Rua landed 82 strikes total to lyoto 42 total strikes. This doesn't include control and aggression which Rua also had.
    
    I prefer compustrike but I found fightmetric, hope it helps http://mmamania.com/2009/10/25/fightmetric-statistics-deconstruct-ufc-104-controversial-decision-for-machida-vs-shogun-pic/
  • crazycanuck replied 25 days ago

    This is nothing against you Tiki. I looked at the fight again and including body and leg kicks. Actually any kick in general that Rua threw. I wrote the # of thrown and landed for the hole fight. I came up with 72 kicks thrown and 38 landed. Some of which where powerful to the legs and mid section and some just grazing Machidas shorts. I did not however count any kicks that missed all together. I wonder how this fightmetric system works?
  • crazycanuck replied 25 days ago

    Also, fightmetrics doesn't mean anything. This is what every MMA fight is judge by:
    
    Scoring-
    The Committee maintains that the 10 point must system is still the preferred scoring method at this time.
    
    The 10 point must system is defined as follows:
    
    All bouts will be evaluated and scored by three judges.
    
    The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for an even round, which is scored (10-10).
    
    Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense. Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and
    effective aggressiveness and defense.
    
    Effective striking is judged by determining the number of legal strikes landed by a contestant and the significance of such legal strikes.
    
    Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active, threatening guard.
    
    Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler’s attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking; taking down an opponent to force a ground fight; creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to
    achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.
    
    Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike or takedown.
    
    Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or reversed while countering with offensive attacks.
    
    The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the judges when scoring a round;
    1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows dominance in a round;
    2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;
    3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
    4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
    
  • tikitmb replied 25 days ago

    I don't take it personally at all, I'm not Fightmetric.
    
    I am curious though, did you add up Machida's strikes as well?
  • crazycanuck replied 25 days ago

    No I haven't babe. My point though. Is that no matter what scoring system is used. It's always subject to the interpreter.
    All these computer scoring systems have Rua winning yet all 3 judges had Machida winning. It's the law of fighting. May it be the 10 point must system or compustats. Never leave a close fight in neithers hands.
• MONSTER said 28 days ago

  That's why you end fights and not let it go 5 rounds

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  • derelique38 replied 27 days ago

    how cliche
  • nathang replied 26 days ago

    Sometimes you just can't finish the other guy(I know how that sounds, get your minds out of the gutter), but c'mon this one was a no brainer...EVERY MMA site had shogun winning this one easily, fightmetric.com no emotions there had shogun as the winner. I'm a huge machida fan, so there's 0 bias on my part.
    
• karenjoyce said 28 days ago

  If it weren't for Machida grabbing the cage when Shogun split his lip it would of been a knockdown.Shogun won IMO!

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  • crazycanuck replied 27 days ago

    Yeah, and if Rua didn't fall into Machida and make it look like he was trying to take him down after he just got a knee. It would have been a knockdown. It was a close fight for sure...
• CTgirl said 28 days ago

  The fight over all was definately not as exciting as one would hope and the "decision" would be questionable, were it not a title fight. To take a belt you have to kick an ass! That was not done, not by submission, not by KO and not by beat down. Rua did not win...period. And not for nothing, but generally speaking, this organization needs to stop being afraid of calling a fight a draw. If it's not cut and dry, it very well may be a draw...I'm just saying

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• CTgirl said 28 days ago

  The fight over all was definately not as exciting as one would hope and the "decision" would be questionable, were it not a title fight. To take a belt you have to kick an ass! That was not done, not by submission, not by KO and not by beat down. Rua did not win...period. And not for nothing, but generally speaking, this organization needs to stop being afraid of calling a fight a draw. If it's not cut and dry, it very well may be a draw...I'm just saying

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  • Canuck replied 27 days ago

    This fight didn't even require the judges to think....Rua was the aggressor, landed more damaging blows and should have won.....REMATCH!
  • Hertzy replied 27 days ago

    Rd #1 Rua... Rd#2 Rua... Rd#3 Machida (maybe not)... Rd #4 Rua... Rd #5 Rua... If the fight was to go on past this point... Rua had Machida worn down and caused way more damage, Rua looked like he could keep going Machida was happy the Fight was over... Rua beat Machida down way more than Forest and Rampage... (I had Rampage winning that fight because you have to beat the champ to be the champ). Anyway it was a great match up, both fighters are first class, and the fans are the winners of that fight. Ps... Action, Reaction... what goes around comes around (carma) Good to see Rua back in shape!
  • klmall replied 26 days ago

    First, hi sweetie (purity) heehee Second, I was very impressed with Rua. (Still have mad respect for Machina) And ya, at the end of the fight, Rua looked ready to go another round or two. I thought it was a good fight but lousy decision.
  • klmall replied 26 days ago

    Rua knew exactly how to handle Machida.
• BYAnyWear said 28 days ago

  nahh not true you have to be dominant and Machidas face and ribs shows that he wasn't

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  • derelique38 replied 27 days ago

    I think his face when announced as winner is a more telling look into what was going on in his head. This will hurt his status as the new ufc poster boy.
• nathang said 28 days ago

  feed shogun anderson silva please.

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  • skoupar replied 28 days ago

    Yes nathang, dispite the results of the Shogun/Machida match has me wondering what Rua could do against Silva. This would be a match up I would look forward to. Then after a few more fights have a Shogun Machida II.
  • derelique38 replied 27 days ago

    Why would that make sense for Shogun, he won the title, deserves the shot. It should be silva fighting him for the title if anything.
  • BYAnyWear replied 27 days ago

    nah man i see a rematch like REALLY SOON this fight had too many people scratching their heads and it looked "FAKE" so Dana isn't going to let that thought linger in the fans heads long so he's going to try to correct that soon i'm sure.
  • klmall replied 26 days ago

    I dont think the fight looked fake I just didnt like the decision. Fake to me was A.Silva/Forrest fight. Even when Forrest lost his belt he didnt act like that, he was smiling and congratulating Evans....
  • derelique38 replied 26 days ago

    Doesnt that fit forrests profile? I hedge at starting the fake talk, for a sport we all love, and is still trying to build credibility, it wont help that cause.
  • BYAnyWear replied 26 days ago

    I'm not saying fake in regards to the actions of the fighters i should have used "fixed" considering, how something seems obvious and the judges went with the 'losing party' to the masses. Those boos after the winner was announced told all
  • klmall replied 26 days ago

    Derelique38 you are so right :) I guess I should just say I have lost ALL respect for Forrest after that fight.
  • derelique38 replied 25 days ago

    Fixed worries me as well. Was it so obvious if so many ppl are divided on who won. I mean I saw Shogun as the clear winner, while say BJPURITY saw BJ PENN as the winner, and awarded him with a BJ. All kidding aside, its a matter of perception, and as we all know the weakest aspect of mma, is the officiating. I never trust a decision.
• crazycanuck said 28 days ago

  I dont know man. I've just seen the fight for a third time. And I personally have round 1-2-3 for Machida and round 4-5 to Rua.

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  • Canuck replied 27 days ago

    CC, don't forget to put your contacts in....NO WAY Machida won that fight..NO WAY
  • crazycanuck replied 27 days ago

    LOL. Actually, I wear coke bottle bottoms.
  • Canuck replied 27 days ago

    lol..nice
• skoupar said 28 days ago

  I have yet to understand the scoring system the judges use. Did they award a certain amount of points to Machida based on the take downs he stuffed?
  
  Big John McCarthy has said long ago that they have the wrong people judging the fights. I would like to see retired MMA fighters phase out the current judges.
  
  My first impression of the fight is that there is no way Machida won a unanimous decision. I'm going to watch the fight again before I make any conclusions.

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  • tikitmb replied 27 days ago

    Your initial reaction was correct Scott, it was close enough to be a split decision, in favor of Rua, but personally I could have seen a UD for Rua as well.
  • CarlaC replied 27 days ago

    I'm sorry, and i'm not an expert by any means, so from a fans point of view, it wasn't even a split decision to me. Rua won that fight! My chin hit the ground when they announced a unanimous decision. And Scott, i was thinking the same thing....Big John, if he watched that fight was saying to himself.....see, i told you so!
  • tikitmb replied 27 days ago

    I was throwing a bone there Carla, I thought Rua clearly won.
  • CarlaC replied 27 days ago

    Hey Tiki, it was a great fight, but wow, such a let down! Rua did such a great job, i was very impressed with him and he is great for the UFC! I'd love to throw a bone, but it would be aimed at those judges heads, lol
  • tikitmb replied 27 days ago

    I ain't mad at ya! LOL!!!
• crazycanuck said 27 days ago

  Keep an eye at the end of round 3. You`ll see what I meen by Rogan being biased. Machida lands 4 or 5 good punches and 2 knees but Rua lands 1 punch and Rogan is like, what a punch by Rua. It gives a false sence of what`s really happening if you ask me. Btw, stuffs do amount to points.

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  • Canuck replied 27 days ago

    I do agree that Rogan tends to be biased when he commentates....but I still can't see how Machida wins this fight....I'll try to watch again. I think a rematch would be great
  • tikitmb replied 27 days ago

    I really shouldn't have to point this out to anyone, but judging from some of your comments I guess I do. Rogan has a history of being biased but more importantly Rogan is not a judge. I'm not even sure why he's part of this discussion because the judges don't have any access to what he's saying that previldge goes to the PPV fans.
    
    Rogan iritates me more times than I can count, thats whats the mute button is for.
    
    All in all what he says may influence some fans at home, but clearly not the fans and judges that were actually there.
  • crazycanuck replied 27 days ago

    Best seat in the house is the one at home with the fight recorded.
    I was there in Montreal for GSP vs Serra. I was on the floor 8 rows back. Although I was very close and could see well. I couldn't see everything that was going on.
  • DavidHK replied 27 days ago

    crazycanuck, i saw the fight twice last night. The first time i could barely hear the commentary, and the second time i had it muted, listening to sthg else during the fight, and i still think it was an unfavorable decision. Like Tiki said, the judges, and the crowd in general dont have access to Joe's stuff. And the look on the fighters before the call also tells you a lot about who actually felt they lost/won...
  • Clintmathewson replied 27 days ago

    I'm with CC .... ?? ? ?? seriously. I'm with him here
  • tikitmb replied 27 days ago

    CC, I've been to a few life sports events and I agree with you, there are things you can miss live, but if it really made a difference in how that event was scored, than they wouldn't have judges judging from ringside.
  • Farago replied 27 days ago

    Funny thing is, the crowd can get earbuds at the event so they can listen to Joe's commentary live.....
  • Canuck replied 27 days ago

    Tiki, I think CC was making reference to Rogan being biased for the viewers at home...not the judges. Therefore, all of us on here that watched heard nothin but Rogan's biased commentary and therefore feel Rua won the fight. I see his point but it did appear that Rua landed more strikes/kicks and was the aggressor so he should have won.
  • BYAnyWear replied 27 days ago

    yea Rogan has his favorites can't be worse than when Mir commentates his bias is wayyy more obvious. But really that 4/5 punch combo from Machida was aiight.. that 1 from Rua looked like it rocked Machida
  • tikitmb replied 26 days ago

    Gotcha people, as I said Rogan is both bias and irritating, but most that have to deal with it are at home. Some fans take Rogan's word as gospel, but there are those of us who don't. I happen to be one of those who judge a fight by what I see, my ears only perk up concerning Rogan when he breaks down a technical maneuver. In that regards he's actually pretty good.
    
    Most people that go to the actually events prefer to spend their extra $20 or $30 bucks on food, drink, and merchandise more so than an ear piece. Those fans booing the decision at the actual event booed it because of what they actually saw. I'm sure it was probably only 1% of booers at the event that had listened to Rogan.
    
    Anyways my point was it really doesn't matter what Joe said, he's not a judges nor can he influence them. Rogan wouldn't sound half as bad if there was a balance in the commentating like in Boxing, NFL, and NBA. In those prospective sports if you have one commentator that swinging off one particular team or fighter there's nothing wrong with it because you have his partner swinging off the opposite team or fighter. That's what's wrong with MMA commentating you rarely have the commentators representing both sides.
  • crazycanuck replied 26 days ago

    Trust me. I don't judge a fight by what Rogan says. I'm just saying he's friggin anoying. Just remember that at least half, if not more than half of the kicks Rua through to Machida's legs. Was at the same time that Machida was kicking Rua to the mid section. What I meen is Rua's kicks where counter kicks. I would think it's tougher to kick the mid section than someones front leg.
  • tikitmb replied 26 days ago

    CC I'm not sure which kick is tougher and quite honestly I'm not sure it really matter since Rua landed kicks to both machida's legs and body(mid-section) pretty much at will.
    
    I know you seen the kicks that Rua landed to machida's mid-scection, it wasn't just one or two. Infact it had to be a third of the leg kicks landed by Shogun. So to insinuate that Shogun only attacked Machida's legs the entire fight is both bias and unfair.
    
    As for Rogan, it is what it is. Joe's a trip what can I say.
  • crazycanuck replied 26 days ago

    Damn babe. I never said Rua only kicked Machida in the legs. Just that at least half of Rua's kicks to the legs where in counter to Machida body kicking him is all. So if I'm a judge and I see a leg kick and a body kick land at the same time. The body kick scores bigger. Read my post's more clearly.
  • tikitmb replied 25 days ago

    LOL! Actually CC you did.......
    
    Quote: "It was a close fight imo. Good leg kicks from Rua. But that's all I've seen from him."
    
    Two comments later you went on to write
    
    Quote: "True but leg kicks alone imo don't win championships."
    
    
    I'm sorry my friend but yeah you did say all Rua did was leg kick machida. Check the top of the page that's where I originally read them. Those were the two I remember reading but I bet You posted it more than that if I bothered to check.
    
    Still love you though :-)
  • tikitmb replied 25 days ago

    By the way CC, I'm not trying to argue every point you were trying to make. I just threw in my 2 cents worth about the leg kicks and Rogan. I hope you didn't think I was defending him because I wasn't. As for the point you were making about the counterstrikes for clarity I wasn't debating or ignoring it.
  • crazycanuck replied 25 days ago

    It's all good babe. We're just talking MMA. True I said that about the leg kicks. But what I meant was. That was basically Rua's main weapon that night. His main stradegy. And besides
    those leg kicks, the rest of his arsenal wasn't enough to tweak
    a close decision. Now let me guess. Your sexy self is going to show me all the stats besides his leg kicks. And put it in my face.(LOL) I would deserve it for going against the grain on this one. Much love babe! :~)
  • tikitmb replied 23 days ago

    For you CC... sorry I'm too lazy to post everything, but I added the link so you can see what I didn't add. ;-)
    
    Fact: Machida thrown(arm strikes)=54 landed(arm strikes)=16
    total thrown(leg strikes)=51 landed(leg strikes)=34
    Break down of leg strikes kicks landed=21 knees landed=13
    
    
    Fact: Rua thrown(arm strikes)=50 landed(arm strikes)=16
    total thrown(leg strikes)=105 landed(leg strikes)=73
    Break down of leg strikes kicks landed=46 knees landed=27
    
    
    For more go to= http://compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_104/MacHida-Rua.HTM
    
• ZingRouleau said 27 days ago

  People's were expecting big things from Machida but that does not mean he lost the fight it was way to close to call and because of that the right man won "The Dragon is the Champion"!!

  

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• crazycanuck said 27 days ago

  Good points David. Let's not forget that all three judges scored the same. It's not like it was a split decision where one judge scored 48/47 for Rua, one judge scored 48/47 for Machida and one judge scored 49/46 for Machida. But you and Tiki make some good points.

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• razah12 said 27 days ago

  Fedor for free November 8th!
  
  And Fitch Alves to follow!

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  • Clintmathewson replied 27 days ago

    fedor is over rated :)
  • derelique38 replied 27 days ago

    at least hes rated!
  • Tinman24 replied 25 days ago

    He's rated because he is scared to fight the best and is by far the best self promoter in MMA history. Best PR campaign of all time to even have himself considered in the P4P best since he hasn't fought a top ten heavyweight since I was carrying a lunch box to school.
  • razah12 replied 25 days ago

    I thought Mike Brown had the best marketing department in MMA?
    
    I think you gotta beat the champ to be the champ.
  • derelique38 replied 25 days ago

    The best marketting team??? If this team of marketting genuises were so good, wouldnt they have made fedor a top draw, which he is not. They are ok, but have an agenda, and it has nothing to do with building fedors legacy. The only guy in the ufc I see beating fedor is brock. But at this point who else would you rather see fighting brock???? We need to get over fedor signing elsewhere, and judge the fighters as they are. Fedor need not prove anything to us, but that doesnt stop us from wanting him to do it right?
  • Clintmathewson replied 21 days ago

    neither were the three people that mattered in regards to the fight. the judges.
• Fatsopop187 said 25 days ago

  Yo, Clintmathewson & crazycanuck are retarded and should be watching WWF instead of UFC... Rua really won but got robbed from his win, what's so hard to realize that... Machida is one of the best... I thought for sure he was going to knock rua out... But as anybody paying attention to the fight witnessed, Shogun was the better fighter that match... It was all for $$$$$$$$$$ people... But still at least Rua ruined Machida's (never loosing a round record)... Another thing Clintmathewson, Fedor is the best! You must not know nada dam thing about MMA, with everything you been saying in this forum, Peace...

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  • Clintmathewson replied 25 days ago

    LOL. Fedor is over rated. And Machida won the fight. Sorry I didnt see it your way. It is what it is.
  • Clintmathewson replied 25 days ago

    Like I said before tho.. if it were some gay little karate tournament and we were judgeing on how touch the other more.. then yes.. why wouldnt you give it to RUA. But I think I speak for anyone who has fought..or trained..when I say "I would rather take 20 hard leg kicks hit me.. then 2 hard body knees" Rua landed more strikes.. sure... but Machida landed more potentially fight ending strikes.. your winner... Lyoto Machida. I'm glad the Judges saw it that way too.
  • derelique38 replied 25 days ago

    Clitty you always find a new bag to hang from. Stop obsessing and start impressing.
  • Clintmathewson replied 25 days ago

    take your comment.. and your bromosexual pic away from me d lick. we've already established your uselessness. Be gone
  • crazycanuck replied 24 days ago

    Hey Flatspot,
    How did you guess me and Clint walk around with helmets. Clint, get a load of Flatspot. WWF instead of UFC.(LOL)
  • Clintmathewson replied 24 days ago

    yeah. i'm gonna give him a stone cold stunner
  • tikitmb replied 24 days ago

    Wow really... why are you trying to make it out as if Shogun landed more strikes BUT, in leg kicks? Sorry yes Rua landed more strikes, but those numbers included knees to the body(mid-section) and legs of Machida. Those strikes includes kicks to the legs and mid-section of machida. Last those strikes though few, included the lefts and rights that Shogun landed to machida's face. All in all yes, well over half of Shogun's strikes were to machida's legs but the rest landed cleanly and quite often to the rest, mainly machida's mid-section. Shogun controlled the fight, he had machida, cringing after some particularly nasty shots to the body and legs.
    
    You all seem to have forgotten just how worried machida's corner was during the fight. After all, they were the ones voicing their concerns about machida not being able to find his range. I mean how backwards is that if machida was the one who was landing the cleaner more affective shots? I'm just saying...
    
    One last thing, not that you brung this up clint but I seen it earlier so I mine as well hit on that to while I'm at it.
    
    Please don't use the excuse that the judges picked machida to win so we shouldn't question it. Well as history has shown us judges aren't always correct, ask Roy Jones Jr. how he felt about the olympic judges in "84". At 14yrs RJ beat the snot out of his opponent, but he didn't KO him. RJ won every round yet the fight was given to his opponent who quite honestly didn't land a punch nearly the entire fight.
    
    Yes it's nice not to have the fight go to judges but wake up people its part of the fight game. Not every man will be able to KO, TKO, or submit their opponent, especially when your dealing with an opponent who is a bad a$$ in their own right. Fights are going to go to a decision and when they do it needs to be judged fairly... period.
    
    
  • crazycanuck replied 24 days ago

    What would suggest would be a fare solution babe?
  • tikitmb replied 23 days ago

    I'd say no contest, machida didn't earn a W and Shogun didn't deserve an L. I wouldn't strip machida of his belt because of the judges error, besides it was a close fight which deserves a rematch. Change the fighters record and have them do it again... that's my humble opinion.
  • derelique38 replied 23 days ago

    LOL clitty, my pic is dedicated to you. He looks like you. Probably fights like you(oh no hes gonna threaten to beat me up again, when I travel across North America, go to Scanectony NY or some sh!thole like that), and he hangs from Matt Serra's a$$ hairs like a dirty klingon, kinda like you clitty. Clitty is Joey Scarola ..!..
  • Clintmathewson replied 23 days ago

    even your internet trash talk cant hang Dick lick. too bad... sucks to be you
  • derelique38 replied 22 days ago

    Like your trash talk is any better. Same old crap. All the real fighter have Rua having won the fight. Even legends, not some run of the mill homeboy.
  • Clintmathewson replied 21 days ago

    this goes to show you.. that my opinion is now based on what anyone else thinks dick lick.
  • Clintmathewson replied 21 days ago

    nor were the opinions of the three peoples that actually mattered at the conclusion of the final bell. the judges.
  • Clintmathewson replied 21 days ago

    how is scottsdale arizone this time of year?
• razah12 said 25 days ago

  Clint, what's your take on Fedor. You agree with Purity that he is the best but people are frustrated because we want to see more of him?

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  • Clintmathewson replied 25 days ago

    from what I have seen from Fedor is impressive... but his competetion level.. as of late....... Arlovski ....was dominating him ....just got stupid and got caught. I think fedor is overated.
  • Clintmathewson replied 25 days ago

    whatsmore... hes fighting Bret Rogers... who..?? a couple years ago was a bag boy??? come on? If this is how you want to build your legacy.. so be it.. but heres the worst of it.. if he loses to Rogers... then who is he? I really think he should have fought in the UFC. I dont care of the politics of it.. but I havent seen enough from Rogers to put him anywhere near a top 20 heavyweight. But guess what.. if he catches Fedor.. people will start talking about him like hes top 5 .. its ridiculous
  • derelique38 replied 25 days ago

    Maybe he is top 5, they all start somewhere.
  • Clintmathewson replied 25 days ago

    dude... shut up.
  • razah12 replied 24 days ago

    Noted Clint,
    
    But I can't figure out who can beat Fedor?
  • Clintmathewson replied 24 days ago

    razah... at Heavyweight... anyone can be beat .....with a single strike... (contrary to this season of TUF) Fedor was staggered by Mirko Cro Cop... he came back to win the decision...but even Bret Rogers has plenty of Boom in his fists...Fedor better be careful. A loss to Rogers jeopardizes his legacy.
  • razah12 replied 23 days ago

    The fact that Fedor can recover is another reason why he is dangerous. Some guys don't have that ability or have never been tested.
  • derelique38 replied 23 days ago

    Yer an idiot, and I will never shut up for you cl!toris
  • derelique38 replied 23 days ago

    Make yer picks on the next card, so I know whos not going to win.
  • Clintmathewson replied 23 days ago

    if not for me dick lick.. shut up for you. You'd be doing yourself a favor
• razah12 said 25 days ago

  Anyone think that wrestling is the most solid base to have in MMA?

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  • Clintmathewson replied 25 days ago

    wrestling is great for control and work ethic... but MMA will soon give way to superior strikers... boxing and MT. But so far.. wrestlers are the grinders
  • BYAnyWear replied 25 days ago

    I think good wrestling speaks volumes but on the other side if you can't slip punches to get to the clinch or get your single its useless. The good thing about being a great wrestler in MMA is that a good wrestler can nullify a number of ju jitsu moves. But if you're not an evolved wrestler you go down the path with Hughes, Coleman, Randlemann, Trigg, ...Frito lol. OH and i understand what you're saying about Fedor but in the same breath you cant blame him for his opponents.. What if he came into the UFC and mashed out Brock..who would be left Randy bluh, Nog beat him already,Valesquez? I think it was a poor move on the part of Dana talking sht about him in the past.. because in an interview Fedor mentioned how he still remembered those comments, then the other poor move is how his manager set high demands that the UFC wouldn't bend on. But some of the stipulations the UFC wanted was somewhat outlandish as well.. .thennnn after the sht goes sideways Dana starts with the slanders the whole "Fkin Russians" kinda spill
  • razah12 replied 24 days ago

    From what I've heard, Russian athletes aren't managed by the Girl Scouts if you know what I mean...
    
    Either Dana is stupid or fearless, not that he would get rubbed out. They are probably just laughing at him.
• BYAnyWear said 25 days ago

  but its MMA who knows right when you think the dust has settled some super fight pops up.

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• Fatsopop187 said 24 days ago

  I guess we'll wait till the rematch to see who beats who, and making Dana *** more money...

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• Fatsopop187 said 24 days ago

  Check it...

  

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  • Clintmathewson replied 24 days ago

    check it huh... i saw shogun ROCKED on two occasions.. Lyoto. None.
  • tikitmb replied 24 days ago

    What round did Shogun get rocked? and can you honestly look at this particular pic and say that it doesn't look like machida got rocked?
  • Clintmathewson replied 24 days ago

    anyone can look like they're the man from a still shot. I can show you some pics of Josh Koscheck looking bad ass against Thiago Alves....but.. we all know what happened in that fight.
  • tikitmb replied 24 days ago

    Stop Clint... Rua cracked him pretty damn good and you didn't answer my other question. When did machida rock Rua on those two occasions? What rounds so that I may go back and watch it, seeing as how I missed it earlier.
  • Clintmathewson replied 24 days ago

    i only watched that fight once. All I needed to see. Watching it again would be a painful reminder that I paid for it
  • razah12 replied 24 days ago

    Clint, can you hook me up with some biatches in Vegas next time you go. I don't have the party power in me anymore.
    
    Either that or I will just have to live vicariously through your videos.
    
    Damn I miss the days I could go for three straight days in Vegas without sleep.
    
    (With party favors of course)
  • Clintmathewson replied 24 days ago

    Vegas is Adult Disney land man. You go there and you have to party! Get your drink on... get your on.. and wear your balls on the outside. I am all work no play at home for the most part.. so when its time to party.... I let it all hang out!
  • razah12 replied 23 days ago

    Good pep talk...
    
    Time for me to man the fck up!
    
    ha ha
• crazycanuck said 24 days ago

  1rst and second. Rua's coming in, Machida knees him to the gut and Rua falls into Machida and then makes it look like he's going for a takedown.

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• BYAnyWear said 24 days ago

  That 3-4 punch combo that Machida through and Rua landed the one right hand if i'm correct. ... Machida was rocked there, and a few times when he took a good kick to his body his facial expression was showing that of pain. Oh well doesn't matter he knows he loss and he's gassing himself. He did an interview and said he felt his performance was "SUPERIOR" i could agree if he made that comment after Rashad...but not after the fight with Shogun. He was far from it, and it came off to me as a person that's trying to fuel his persona after he knows he was defeated.

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• Clintmathewson said 24 days ago

  Well it is what it is.. and nothing going to change it. Boring fight anyways. If shogun was the new champ... then ... perish the thought... we'd have to see more of Forrest Griffin. :)

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• razah12 said 14 days ago

  Fedor is the man...
  
  What a BORING night of fights up until the Fedor vs. Rogers fight...
  
  And I was starting to think upset (but only for a millisecond).
  
  Fedor has the three C's, calm cool and collected, and when he gets in trouble (broken nose) he sticks to his game plan and gets EVEN stronger.
  
  #1 PFP in world till someone beats him...

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  • razah12 replied 14 days ago

    I know Rogers is not the greatest of opponents, but when it comes to HW's, having a weight and height advantage like Rogers is tough to overcome.
    
    
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    Rogers was gassed after the first, Fedor was conditioned.
    
    I can't believe how bad the other fights were. All the fighters seemed out of shape and all the action was one guy lying on top of another, never a good sight.
• Pitbull_killer said 13 days ago

  rua is the winner!

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