February 11, 2013

OUR NEW DEFENSIVE CO-ORDINATOR (PART II)

THIS was copy and pasted directly from the Eagles website:

 Davis has worked under Dom Capers, Bill Cowher, Vic Fangio, Dick LeBeau, Mike Nolan, Wade Phillips and Marvin Lewis during his coaching career. He has also helped guide seven players to the Pro Bowl: Keith Brooking, Darnell Dockett, Kevin Greene, Walt Harris, Lamar Lathon, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Adrian Wilson.

So why has he sucked so badly when he was the guy in charge? It's not like he hasn't had talented players, or an innovative brain trust around him. I just don't get it!

Now we're switching to a 3-4? This just makes my stomach even more nervous. Someone PLEASE point to a bright spot!

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  • Well said.

    I (like GTD and many others) am hoping I'm wrong, but the odds of it are very slim considering the ultra-competitive nature of this sport.

    It would be hard enough working past one substandard coordinator. You saw what happened after Jim Johnson passed. The Defense hung around this teams neck like an anchor until Reid was fired. And that was even with Pro Bowl talent at every level of it (Line, LB, Secondary). Coaching MATTERS.

    Working past two lackluster coordinators? I just don't see a rookie coach doing it. Especially with no experienced hand (in the F.O.) at building or turning a team around.
  • Now see ERIC REID (6'2 208) out of LSU is the guy I'd use the #4 pick on. I know it's a "reach", but he IS 1st round rated and we DO need a FS. The pickings get much slimmer if we sleep on him.
  • The Eagles reaching have already gotten them in trouble in past drafts. At 4 they need to take a top pick not a saftey they could get in the 2nd round. Most mocks have Reid going no higher than round two. Safety also seems extremely deep this year and if Reid isn't there in the 2nd (if the Eagles decide to go safety in round 2) they should still be able to get a player. Jonathon Crypien turned lot of heads at the Senior Bowl and he is rated late in the top 10 in some mocks and at 6'0, 210 has some size to boot and there are many safeties ranked ahead of him who also have size. Safety also seems deep in free agency this year with the likes of Jarius Byrd, William Moore, Dashon Goldson, Kenny Philips and Louis Delmas. Good young safties just coming into their prime. Taking a safety at #4 as things stand right now would be a waste of a top 5 pick.

    The Eagles need a lineman and there are a couple tackles that are top 10 right now, they could use a nose tackle and if Lotulelei is there he could be the Eagles pick and outside linebacker will also be a must somewhere in the draft...I don't have a lot of faith that a fading Trent Cole will be able to play as a 3-4 linebacker...he struggled in coverage when McDermott tried dropping him back a few years ago. There are a few players ranked top ten that will also fit that need.
  • (Deep breath)

    First of all Byrd, Moore and Goldson aren't likely to move at all. Don't take my word for it, read around.

    Secondly, Kenny Phillips and Louis Delmas are not good Safeties. and with Phillips already having microfracture surgery at his age, he's hardly "coming into his prime". More like being fitted for a walker.

    Third, most of the guys you named are SS's. The guy the Eagles need to replace most is Kurt Coleman. Look at the Eagles roster and you'll see he's listed as a FS. Eric Reid is a FS. Light going on at all?

    Finally, here.
    http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

    My gift to you. Don't just read up on Mock Drafts. Read about the +/- of each guy and why a guy like Crypien (for example) wouldn't actually be an improvement over what we already have. (Think Carolina Panthers game).
  • Reid will not be the 4th pick, flip. It just isn't going to happen unless he runs a 4.3 at the combine maybe. As for Coleman being the free saftey if you remember correctly the Eagles for some reason changed up what their safteies were titled. Nate Allen was a free safety in college, coverage was his game and that is what he did in the NFL (just not very well). Although Coleman played a little of both he was the up saftey (strong on most teams) even though the Eagles called him their free saftey. Think back on this if you doubt what I am stating...Jarrett was a hitter not a coverage safety and he was brought in to take Coleman's place. If Coleman needs to be replaced it would be for a strong saftey in the draft and like you typed that wouldn't be Eric Reid. Light going on at all for you? Honestly, it doesn't really matter because the Eagles could stand to upgrade at either position in my opinion. As for the free agents, free agency starts in a month and I would guess that some of these players just might sneak through. Even if they don't, Reid at 4 is too much of a reach.

    By the way, Crypien didn't come to me from any mock at first...ESPN had a lot of great things to say about him after the Senior Bowl. I was just using him as an example how deep this draft is supposed to be when it comes to safeties and again let me remind you when you start telling me how Crypien wouldn't be an upgrade for the Eagles...Kuechly and Mays.
  • I was wrong about Keuchly. What about Mays?

    And I never said Reid WOULD be the 4th pick. (Most indications say we're getting at DT). I said I'D use the 4th pick on him. Unless something really weird happens, I won't be Drafting for the Eagles in April. But the guy who's starting Vick WILL be!
  • What about Mays? 70 tackles, 3 pass defenses and 1 forced fumble in 3 years isn't lighting up the world. I guess that's because no one in the NFL has taken that brilliant advice and moved him to linebacker and not because he can't play...yeah, because taking a successful college safety and moving him to linebacker is always a lock to work in the NFL.

    I get that you're not drafting for the Eagles but this may be one of your biggest reaches and with the Eagles drafting in the top 5 all I have to type is...WOW! I notice that after all that cockiness over the safeties you just decide to ignore the fact that you had no clue what positions Coleman and Allen were actually playing in the secondary...not surprised at all.
  • I know exactly what positions they play. It wasn't me that listed them that way on the Eagles site. Fact is on many of those plays when you see a receiver running in for a score, the closest Safety you see in the play is Coleman. So guess which one is MOST likely to be replaced?

    BTW: Remember Jim Johnson? Remember a guy named Brian Dawkins? Well in case you forgot (cockiness machine ramping up!) Jim Johnson used FREE SAFETY Brian Dawkins up around the box and left STRONG SAFTEY Quintin Mikell handle the deep coverage duties. They did it that way for YEARS, so this nomenclature hiccup (for a knowledgeable fan) shouldn't come off as something new.

    As for Taylor Mays I have no idea why you seem so fixated on a guy that was never an Eagle. If it's just about saying "Hey look Birdflipper, you were wrong about something" then okay, whatever. I've been wrong before. Hell man, anyone with an ex-girlfriend has been wrong at least once, right? If it means that much to you... Knock yourself out :)
  • Nate Allen has trouble covering let alone hitting. Coleman's talents are limited but at least he isn't afraid to hit. I'm all for the Eagles giving Allen one more year, Coleman may get another year also being that there isn't anybody untouchable at the safety position on the Eagles roster and he can't be making much at all.
  • I agree that Allen should get ONE more year to prove he can play, now that he has a legit (if poor) DC.

    I still think that Coleman is the bigger liability in coverage, foot speed was the knock on him as a prospect, and it's his biggest drawback as a pro. I like the guys ATTITUDE, but being slow and blowing assignments makes him a Nickle/Dime Safety at best.

    And yes I'm aware that Nickle/Dimeback or Specialist LB, is my automatic fallback for slow or poor covering Safeties. I just believe that if a guy has the right attitude and is fundamentally sound in most areas of his game, you find a place for him where he can be excellent as opposed to sticking him somewhere where he'll struggle to be average.
    Besides, you usually get a killer Special Teamer out of the deal. Larry Izzo, Ike Reese, Bill Bates for example were all situational fill-ins who were all Special Teams Aces.
  • A lot of good things are being said about Xavier Rhodes who is a big corner out of Florida State and could be a nice pick in the second for the Eagles if they decide to let go of Rodgers-Cromartie or Asomugha. This draft seems to be fairly deep in the secondary and their should be an upgrade there as long as the Eagles make the right choice. I love what I hear about Reid and if the Eagles drafted him I would be excited...just not at #4. Things could change with pro days and combines but how many safeties are drafted top 5? Just like you stated most analysts or mocks don't have Reid as the top safety, it seems to be Vaccaro hands down and I have seem Elam ahead of him also. Combine is coming up soon...we'll see if that changes any leading up to the draft.
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