so everyone not on kobe's sac is a hater now? the simple fact of the matter is kobe is the best player now at least for the next year maybe mj =greatest ever people who are too young to have ever seen a 20 something jordan play will be shocked to know that mj is far superior in terms of athleticism and knowledge of the game and competitiveness kobe is the most competitive player in the league right now mike takes that to another level also mike did 2 years of college not four also mj didn't have three sub 20ppg season's his first three years dude contended for a scoring title as a rookie and never looked back kobe only went for 20+ppg seasons after the rules changes mj is unquestionably superior this is not a debate for anyone who saw both in their primes however time passes and tons of people only saw old mike and young kobe also add the dumbasses at espn into the mix and you have the recipe for pointless debate. the issue of hating isn't really hate for kobe himself it's for how the way mike came in and embarrased the league from the time he was a rookie yet never got mentioned as the best player until he won a title in his ninth season on the flip side kobe got mentioned as the next mike while shooting airballs and averaging 11.3ppg i remember how the league bumped 25+ppg scorers in order to start kobe in the allstar game averaging 19ppg also if anyone happened to ever look at individual stat comparisons this becomes even more of a non debate also you'd be hard pressed to say kobe is better than lebron at present as for the last few seasons bron is actually better in several categories just no rings during mj's entire career in chi town no one in the league in either of the two eras mj played in even merited comparison and when one considers he played in probably the greatest era in nba history in terms of talent and athleicism and please dont regurgitate the espn line of todays players being better athletes entirely untrue more creative yeah more athletic no way amare would get dunked on by barkley howard will not even try to block the reignman unless he want his arm brokeni could go on all day but i won't the bottom line is in 1999 stern changed the nba rules to make scoring easier cause mj set such a high standard that when he retired in 98 attendance dropped off a cliff also many other hof'ers also retired or just got old and the new talent kobe included was still years away from replacing said hof'ers son the institution of rules changes and zone defenses were designed to increase scoring especially defensive 3 seconds a smart player today can just time a big before the drive and get a free poster cause the guy has to get out the paint to avoid the technical thus getting posterized on the way back in this was all done to generate attendance and thus revenue. after the 2008 finals this subject should be closed i'm not bashing kobe for losing hell mike may have lost with that team the difference is mike would put up way more fight than kobe did kobe barely got his season average throughout that series mj would have set a new scoring record or something these are the situations that made mj a legend he was at his best in games that actually mattered kobe is a phenomenal closer mj played that way the entire game also mj was a far superior defender i know kobe get props for defense dservedly so the major difference is mj=on ball defense kobe=roaming passing lanes also mj would average 43 in this era of doughnut teams with 6'10 centers that are'nt allowed to patrol the lane kobe would average significantly less based on what i saw in 2008 finals against a defence that would'nt rate top ten in mj's era also during the lakers title runs they were always better and more talented and experienced than their opponents the bulls on the other hand with the exception of the 91 finals were always the lesser team on paper but mj always made his teams better than the sum of it's parts what else is phil and tex winter going to say they still work for the lakers hopefully after they are no longer in the employ of jerry buss this question will get asked again then we will get not safe diplomatic answers but the truth or you can just fact check my post now
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Lindy's Pro Basketball 2008-09 is on the market now. If it is not sold in a bookstore near you, you can order a copy online--choosing from among nine different regional covers--at the Lindy's website.
For this year's edition, I wrote the Sacramento Kings preview for the third year in a row, the Phoenix Suns preview for the second year in a row and I wrote the Cleveland Cavaliers preview for the first time, ending my run of writing three straight previews about the Denver Nuggets. For the sidebar stories that accompany each preview, I wrote about Ron Artest, Shaquille O'Neal and the Cavaliers' underrated defense respectively.
Editor Roland Lazenby contributed a very interesting story about Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant titled, "In Michael's Image." Lazenby has long had a very close working relationship with Tex Winter, the inventor of the Triangle Offense who coached both Jordan (with the Chicago Bulls) and Bryant (with the Lakers, for whom Winter is still a consultant). Lazenby's excellent article is well worth reading. Here are a few bullet points:
1) Jerry West, the man who originally drafted Bryant, believes that Bryant's greatness is not appreciated or understood by the general public: "The people who write and say things, they know nothing about him," West said during the 2008 NBA Finals, according to Lazenby.
2) Lazenby indicated that the Jordan-Bryant comparisons do not bother Jordan as much as they bother others: "Frankly, Jordan doesn't see what all the big fuss is about. After all, human behavior is mimetic. That's what humans do. They copy and ape another." Jordan acknowledged that Bryant has patterned aspects of his game after Jordan's but does not see this as a bad thing at all: "But how many people lighted the path for me? That's the evoluation of basketball. There's no way I could have played the way I played if I didn't watch David Thompson and guys prior to me. There's no way Kobe could have played the way he's played without watching me play. So, you know, that's the evolution of basketball. You cannot change that."
3) Lazenby added, "In conversation, it becomes quickly obvious that Jordan respects Bryant, without even a hint of condescension. After all, Jordan respects anyone who does the work, who has the mental toughness, to climb the heights. Bryant's done the work and displayed the toughness, he says."
4) Winter has repeatedly emphasized that Scottie Pippen's role in the success of the Bulls cannot be overestimated; on the flip side, Winter and West both criticized the lack of mental toughness of Bryant's current supporting cast, a weakness that became glaringly apparent during the 2008 NBA Finals. "The Lakers just are not mentally tough," West said point blank, while Winter agreed and added, "We had some tough guys in Chicago, guys like John Paxson and Steve Kerr who could hit those open shots."
In a sidebar piece, Lazenby pointed out that several years ago the Lakers coaching staff--which of course contained several people who also coached Jordan in Chicago--"concluded Bryant and Jordan were much alike, almost eerie, in fact, when it came to the alpha male qualities of their competitive natures. Kobe and Michael were ruthless when it came to winning, everyone agreed. And their skills were similar. Except Michael's hands were larger. The major difference between the two came with college experience. Jordan had played in a basketball system for Dean Smith at North Carolina, thus he was better prepared to play within a team concept."
In a statement that may surprise a lot of people, Winter told Lazenby that he doubted that Jordan would have been a good fit playing alongside Shaquille O'Neal. It will probably surprise Bryant's critics even more to learn that Winter said that his critical examination of game tape shows that Bryant's shot selection is quite good: "Actually, for the most part, he's not forcing up a lot of bad shots. When he gets hot, he does take shots that would be questionable for other players. But a lot of the shots he's taken go in." After all, while some aspects of shot selection are universal--running the shot clock down at the end of the quarter to get the last shot and deny the other team a scoring opportunity--other aspects of shot selection depend on the skill set of the player who is taking the shot (and the skill sets of the players who he would be passing to if he did not shoot).
Winter concluded, "I tend to think how very much they're alike. They both display tremendous reaction, quickness and jumping ability. Both have a good shooting touch. Some people say Kobe is a better shooter but Michael really developed as a shooter as he went along. I don't know if Kobe is a better shooter than Michael was at his best."
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yo it;s me again iread other posts so i have more fallacies to debunk the zone defense is tough another espn fallacy perpetuated by people that were kids back then and never saw anything else zone defense was designed to allow a teams primary scorer to conserve energy for scoring and cover defensive weaknesses in the rotation by always having help available mj would totally destroy the zone as he was dunking on whole teams in clogged up lane he would have a field day with the zone,the multitude of power forwards playing undersized center and the wide open driving lanes defensive 3 seconds creates kobe in the 80's or the slightly weaker 90's would be a mere allstar maybe a 25ppg scorer cause the physical way boston played him really made him much less than the best player on the court. i agree that mj and kobe have slightly similar games for instance kobe would post up and fade away mj only did this after he was like 34 when younger mj would post up and dunk on his man and whoever happened to rotate for help defense cause he was simply a superior athlete and his huge speed advantage can't be understated mj was perhaps the fastest player ever with a 50 inch vertical kobe in his prime could probably do 40 inches since mj had huge hands he could simply dunk off the dribble WITHOUT gathering and this explains why people think kobe is a much better shooter the fact is mj could get to the hole by simply blowing by the defence not having to use deception ie fakes crossovers to get by one defender he did however resort to this when facing multiple defenders. mj just had more toughness and ability to get to the hoop period so he took many fewer jumpers wwhat phil said was true his first 2 seasons shooting was mj's weakness in a couple offseasons he became as good as kobe kobe is a better 3 pt. shooter by a razor thin margin this a guy that is a naturally skilled shooter that just shows how hard mj worked to improve his game. fg% comparisons are so one sidedly in favor of mj it almost does'nt merit mention almost mj averaged over 50% shooting his entire career only the 2 years in washington playing through injuries age and bad knees brought his career fg% down to 48.9% which is better than kobe's best fg% in any one season i know it's quite shocking but kb24 never shot 50% for even one season in his entire career and even if la wins 4 more titles kb24 would have taken longer to get the hardware and still fall short on finals mvp's not to mention twice losing badly in the finals which mj never did not to mention the arenas beatdown 60 to tha head which never happened to mj cept when kobe dropped 55 on him when he was 41 which will probably happen to kobe in a few years if he foolishly tries to gaurd a player like lebron when way past his prime and far from healthy kobe deserves all his props but goat aint one of them the guy that's erasing all of kobe's youngest player titles has a better chance as he came into the league nba ready with no waiting 3 years like kobe or kg and put up 20+ppg right out the gate due to kobe's slow start his career average is actually lower than iverson or o'neal and unless he plays till age 51 his career scoring average will never be close to mj besides the fact that players don't get better as they age
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