Upshaw says union expects 'greedy' owners to opt out of labor deal

Gene Upshaw called NFL owners, who are ready to opt out of the current labor deal, "greedy."

"In their mind, a loss means they didn't make as much [money] as they thought they were going to make," said Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, during a panel discussion at the Sports Lawyers Association annual conference on Saturday.

The NFL owners and players reached the agreement in 2006, but both sides have the option of reopening it by Nov. 8. Upshaw said the owners could notify the players they are reopening the deal on Tuesday in Atlanta, opening the league to the possibility of a work stoppage in 2011.

"The owners have made it very clear that they intend to opt out of this agreement early," Upshaw said. "Our players are prepared for that."

Upshaw said the NFL owners have brought in negotiators used by the NHL before their lockout.

"The way that they are going all about this points directly to a lockout," Upshaw said.

Upshaw said the players will not reduce their 60 percent share of the league's revenue pie. He also said if the owners reopen the current agreement, it would result in the elimination of the league salary cap starting with the 2010 season. He warned if the cap is eliminated, the players will not agree to reinstitute it.

"I've made it clear to the owners that we're not accepting a deal that pays us less than we're already making," Upshaw said, pointing to growing annual revenue that tops $7 billion.

Dennis Curran, senior vice president and general counsel for the NFL's bargaining arm, expressed confidence a new agreement could be reached if the contract was reopened, but acknowledged the owners have issues with the current deal.

It's too early to say," Curran said of whether the owners will opt out of the current deal. "I wouldn't want to predict what's going to happen, except I will say ... that a lot of our clubs are unhappy with the mechanics of the deal since 2006."

this is gonna get ugly before it gets better!!

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If the owners opt out, there could be an uncapped year in 2010 and a work stoppage in 2011.

Too many greedy players and too many greedy owners is eventually going to mean no fans. It's all got to stop somewhere.

sadly the fans wont abadon the league, it didnt happen with baseball, and i would say it didnt happen with hockey but they never had that many fans to begin with

The league would be terrible without a salary cap. One of the great things about football is every year coming in you have expectations for your team and you never know what's going to happen. Without a salary cap, teams like the Giants and Jets would get every elite player and teams in smaller markets like Jacksonville and Tampa Bay wouldn't really be able to compete.

a work stoppage would cause complete havoc, i cannot even imagine no football. they need to address this & address it NOW before it spirals WAY out of control!!! to all the above replies, i couldn't have written any better. thank you!!!

I really don't want to see another strike shortened season with replacement players. Talk about a dis-service to the NFL and the fans. What should happen is that the NFL should work as a whole and give a certain amount of $ guaranteed to players. Escalating pay rates in accordance to revenue earned and "paychecks" given to players in accordance to depth chart and individual honors (pro bowl, mvp, rookie of the year etc etc). That way no player would be a hold out and ask for a trade every other week.

Sounds good to me. Pay for performance clauses need to added instead of giving these guys guaranteed money for doing nothing at times.

The current player pay trends could be viewed as problematic for the owners. Guaranteed money is a problem with the salary cap system. If a player is not performing, the team is stuck. The NBA has "luxury taxes" and exemptions that act as safety valves to help the team obtain talent to compensate. The NFL doesn't have that flexibility in the contract.

The players do need to be cognizant that the current pay levels are good, and that the salary cap has created the situation where players may be discarded a couple of years earlier than may have occurred in years past.

There is going to be enough money for everybody to be happy. I personally like the revenue sharing and salary cap concept. A couple of ideas: 1. A partial guaranteed money concept (base salary guaranteed + bonuses for individual performance AND team performance - similar to our jobs) 2. Standard structure Rookie contract based on draft position.

I think this can be implemented while still having an overall player revenue percentage. In this case, players on teams that WIN will earn more in good years and less in years when their teams LOSE. Perhaps strengthening the linkage between compensation and winning may actually improve incentive to win games late in the year, regardless of playoff implications?

the only problem with your proposal is that good teams would continue to get better, and the bad teams, also teams with small markets, would continue to stay bad. i think that what should be implemented is something like the No Child Left Behind act. the teams with bad records sould be given more cap room than others. the playoffs being disreguarded, all regular season. for example, the Dolphins would be given a SH!TLOAD of cap room, where as the Patriots are given very little. also, teams in smaller markets, such as Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, should be given more cap room than cities with huge markets like New York and Philadelphia. this way, all teams are given the same opportunity to compete. call it the No Team Left Behind act.

Bad idea, why reward teams year after year who are terrible? Are the Lions, Cardinals, Radiers going to be better just because they get more money? Probably not, their problems are not monetary, it's bad management. The bigger problem is what do teams get to do with the SH!TLOAD of cap room they get? It's easy to see Mike Brown and the Bengals keeping the extra money, or somehow still not spending the money they are given on the players. The only reason the Bengals spend as much as they do is because they have to, the NFL has a spending floor.
As for Mr. Upshaw, the less he talks the better, he wants to stir things up to show that he is doing his job, I also find it laughable that Upshaw wants to talk about "greedy owners" when he makes $7 million to do nothing most of the year. A guy who has fought, and continues to fight, a rookie pay scale that rewards players who haven't busted a nut in the NFL yet he supports a system that hurts players who have proven themselves, and players who are essential for their teams winning but who aren't stars.
If you haven't figured it out, I am not a fan of Upshaw and think he has done as much, if not more, than the owners to create the situation in the NFL.

Philly, definitely good proposals to help keep parity. I think with my proposal, good teams would get more money for that year as they would have a better record. But all the other items that help poorer teams get better (easier schedule, higher draft order) still exist. The intent of the modified pay structure is to penalize lesser teams that "mail it in" at the end of the season and penalize good teams that "take it easy" at the end of the season. So, for just the sake of argument, a player knows that only 1/3 of his salary is guaranteed, but that if he is active for evry game and his team goes 10-6, he gets 100% of his contractual target salary, but if he is active for every game and his team goes 16-0, he gets 200% of his contractual target salary. Haven't run the numbers but the intent is to craft a pay structure similar to what a lot of us working folks get: salary or hourly rate @ 40hrs/week, plus a company bonus or profit share plus individual bonus. We don't want to keep good teams good and bad teams bad, but we do want to have each player (or his wife) ;-) know that a good chunk of his pay is tied to both individual and team performance.

As a Raider fan going way back to when Upshaw was a player, the playoff money was actually a good percentage of a player's overall regular season salary. In those days, most players had to have a job in the off-season. So the Raiders played very tough as literally the guys on the other teams were trying to take money out of their pocket. The hope here would be to try and bring back some of that incentive back into the NFL.

man u guys, all gave great feedback on this thread!!!!! i sure wish they could see it~thank u all so much, this is what makes a thread rock when you have solid feedback like this!!!

Don't start trying to draw up a pay-scale that is somehow connected to the 'common working man.' Pro athletes--and football players in particular--constantly work from the premise of: "we have a very small window to earn our money." This then causes the 'super rich' owners' to fight with the 'rich' players.

owning a NFL team is like owning your own mint to print money,no one on the face of this planet is has more greed than the NFL owners (ie jeff lurie and joe banner)

good point!!!!

It's not just those two.......we have one also. I think it's most of them. But, in fairness, they are the ones that take the risks and invest millions of dollars into franchises that may or may not be sucessful. Without them, what would these players actually be doing? Working for NASA is out of the question for about 75% of them.

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