The Michael Vick Problem

Posted July 11, 2013

2011...2012...Turnovers...holding onto the ball too long...taking too many hits and refusing to slide and very rarely stepping out of bounds which also leads to sacks and turnovers...injuries. Anything more need to typed?

  • The proponent will refuse to discuss these facts as they make his point seem stupid.
  • No. I knew he would do exactly what he did. Put out a new post where I can't comment on it. He states that a post titled "The Problem with Foles" isn't about Foles...hhhmmmm. If it isn't (which it is) I would call that false advertising...something he complained about when Tommy Lawlor put out an article on the Eagles website titled "Go Get the Football". Not sure why he whined about that because the article was indeed about how Davis' teams exceled in getting turnovers.

    I also saw how he keeps defending Vick in your discussions with him. He seems to be stating that it's up to Kelly to make something out of Vick. WHAT? Reid tried making something out of Vick but Vick kept getting in the way. I get that the offensive line and Reid did Vick no favors in 2012 but the offensive line was MUCH better in 2011 and Vick still struggled (and just like you stated I love how people blame Reid for Vick's struggles even though Reid helped give him the best stretch of his career as a QB). The man simply takes too many hits...turns the ball over too much and CANNOT stay healthy. He is not the answer so the Eagles may as well move on. The BS that he and Hollywood keep typing to each other is laughable. You don't always go with the veteran because he's a don't always go with the more experienced player because he is more athletic. If Foles and Vick are neck and neck going into the season you should go with the player with more upside and that would be the young gun with his whole career ahead of him.
  • When it comes down to it people can not make excuses about the line for Mike Vick, and in the next sentence say Nick Foles played poorly when he had the exact same line unless they have an agenda. On top of Nick Foles having the same pathetic line, he had several of the Eagles top offensive players out of the lineup when he was playing. I think you have to look at the situation unbiasedly.
  • Absolutely right, Eazy. Besides, Foles did exactly what you want to see a rookie do...improved steadily and played well enough to be looking at a .500 record if it wasn't for a drop against the Redskins by a newly signed TE while crossing the goal line (after a beautifully led late game drive by Foles) and a couple fumbles by Bryce Brown in the Panthers game. Here's a little excerpt from an article by Geoff Mosher of CSNPhilly that is on the website this morning.

    Foles went 1-5 last year after taking over for a concussed Vick, but the crooked record masqueraded his 61 percent completion rate and the 243 yards per game he averaged, best ever by an Eagles rookie quarterback.

    Reid dropped the rookie back as much as he dropped Vick back (a little more actually) and he answered by putting up the best completion percentage and the most yards per game ever by an Eagle rookie QB. Why wouldn't any fan want to see if Foles can build on that year (especially after watching Vick the last two years)? Just like you stated he had the same pitiful line and a few less weapons than Vick had and still played a bit better (as a ROOKIE!). Maybe he won't ever be more than a backup but the only way to find out is to let him play and with Vick and a 4th round rookie as the only other options I'm hoping he wins the job.
  • The numbers don't lie. If you pit Foles against Vick last season and you add in all of the issues like we previously discussed Foles had a better overall season than Vick. Foles even with the atrocious line took less sacks than Vick. With Vick under center the Eagles averaged 15.5 points a game. With Foles they averaged 20 points a game. In other words even though Foles had no offensive line, a lame duck head coach, and rookies trying to play in positions veterans have had for years Nick Foles STILL SCORED MORE POINTS THAN Vick. Now unless you are a Mike Vick suck up, you have to wonder what Foles could have done if he had the same talent around him that Mike Had earlier in the season. Of course you don't have to wonder how Vick would have played with the lack of talent Foles played with. You know the bad line, rookies around him, and lame duck coach. Just look at the Giants game (a game where Vick actually got an assist with McCoy playing) and you could see the awfulness. First the typical Vick with the untimely interception when the Eagles were driving, a second quarter meaningless touchdown, 19/35 and a pedestrian 195 passing yards to go with a 42 to 7 thumping by the Giants. Who in their right mind still thinks Mike Vick is the answer to the Eagles problems????
  • Funny you brought the Giants game up because I was thinking about it yesterday. Mike Vick had a chance to show Eagle fans that he should still be considered when discussing the Eagles QB (the great Ray Didinger thought he would come out and have a very good game)...instead he rolled over thinking his time was up in Philly and played a horrible game. Who wants a guy that was probably just biding his time in that last game because he thought his time in Philly may have been up? While Foles was showing steady improvement through most of his games Vick came out in relief and just showed us why Reid made the right choice and left him on the bench when he got healthy.
  • Personally I think Reid stuck with the kid to try and keep his job. I think he was trying to play the "who better than me to groom a your quarterback" card and it blew up in his face. I don't see how anyone has forgotten how poor that game was. I mean Nnamdi was so awful he got benched for Curtis Marsh in the second half, but people were still crying to bring this guy back to play here when he clearly quit on the team? Then just look how poorly Vick was in this game. I remember those comments by Diddy. I actually thought they would come out and at least try to win one for Reid, and they played completely uninspired football. There was no win this one for the coach we all supposedly loved so much. The funny thing was Vick's interception early in that drive pretty much cemented that game. The team packed it right in at that moment. Andy Reid isn't a fool. he knows a cooked player when he sees one. In Vick he saw a cooked player and wanted no part of him. Flipflop knows it, but lacks the stones to admit it.

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