Originally posted on Waiting For Next Year  |  Last updated 12/22/12
The Scott Kazmir signing was nice and all, but it’s not going to be it for the Cleveland Indians in the starting pitching market. All offseason, the Tribe’s front office has expressed its desire to sign one more free agent starter: a veteran that could provide some more depth to the rotation. Entering 2013, the starters for the Tribe are Justin Masterson and Ubaldo Jimenez, then likely Zach McAllister and Trevor Bauer. As I broke down last week following the Bauer-Shin Soo Choo trade, there are no other immediate options in Columbus or elsewhere. Indians fans would simply see the usual revolving door at No. 5 should no other pitcher join the fold: a la Jeanmar Gomez, Carlos Carrasco, et al. So what’s left on the market for the Indians? Reportedly, Cleveland was on the short list of suitors for RHP Edwin Jackson, who signed a 4-year, $52 million deal with the Cubs earlier this week. But with the New Year approaching, the list is shrinking quickly. Three obvious names appear when looking at the list of current unrestricted free agents that are still unsigned: RHP Kyle Lohse, RHP Shaun Marcum and LHP Joe Saunders. These three all rank in the top 25 of MLBTradeRumors’ list of top 50 free agents this offseason. Here’s the group of only starting pitchers from that list and the folks that have signed already: Rk Name Age New Team Years Amount 1 Zack Greinke 29 Dodgers 6 147 4 Anibal Sanchez 28 Tigers 5 80 7 Edwin Jackson 29 Cubs 4 52 8 Dan Haren 32 Nationals 1 13 9 Hiroki Kuroda 37 Yankees 1 15 10 Kyle Lohse 34       16 Ryan Dempster 35 Red Sox 2 26.5 19 Shaun Marcum 31   25 Joe Saunders 31   28 Francisco Liriano 29 Pirates 2 13 29 Carlos Villanueva 29 Cubs 2 10 31 Joe Blanton 32 Angels 2 15 32 Brandon McCarthy 29 Diamondbacks 2 15.5 43 Andy Pettitte 40 Yankees 1 12 46 Scott Baker 31 Cubs 1 5.5 48 Jeremy Guthrie 33 Royals 3 25   The average deal for all of these players has averaged between $11-13 million. Obviously, free agency is one of the more risky places to go out and try to bring in a reliable arm in the rotation. The cheapest source of players are those youngsters that are still on their initial deals with teams before they reach arbitration. That’s what the Indians have taken advantage of mostly, ever since the ’90s. Before I go in depth to discuss these three players in comparison to each other and the potential deals they might be looking for, I also wanted to bring up the trade market. According to a report last week from Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Dodgers have been looking for suitors for starters Aaron Harang and Chris Capuano. Both are now expendable after their signings of Greinke and Ryu Hyun-Jin. So I’d be remiss not to introduce that as a possibility too. So first, let’s go head-to-head-to-head with the three free agents: Name Year W L ERA GS IP ERA+ WHIP SO/9 BB/9 SO/BB WAR OPS Kyle Lohse 2010 4 8 6.55 18 92.0 59 1.78 5.3 3.4 1.5 -2.4 0.905 Kyle Lohse 2011 14 8 3.39 30 188.1 109 1.17 5.3 2.0 2.6 2.2 0.680 Kyle Lohse 2012 16 3 2.86 33 211.0 134 1.09 6.1 1.6 3.8 3.9 0.642 Shaun Marcum 2010 13 8 3.64 31 195.1 115 1.15 7.6 2.0 3.8 3.8 0.691 Shaun Marcum 2011 13 7 3.54 33 200.2 111 1.16 7.1 2.6 2.8 2.9 0.656 Shaun Marcum 2012 7 4 3.70 21 124.0 111 1.27 7.9 3.0 2.7 1.3 0.720 Joe Saunders 2010 9 17 4.47 33 203.1 92 1.46 5.0 2.8 1.8 0.7 0.718 Joe Saunders 2011 12 13 3.69 33 212.0 107 1.31 4.6 2.8 1.6 0.6 0.767 Joe Saunders 2012 9 13 4.07 28 174.2 103 1.34 5.8 2.0 2.9 1.3 0.755   Kyle Lohse The recently turned 34-year-old Lohse had a career season in 2012 with the Cardinals. He’s been incredibly successful over the last two years in the National League, after a very mediocre start to his career with Minnesota until 2006. Notably, however, this success is least likely to persist in his case. He set a new career high in several categories in 2012.He’s also likely to be the most expensive player among this trio because of his recent durability and success. That’s also partially because he didn’t accept the Cards qualifying offer of one-year, $13.3 million, which means the team that signs him will have to forfeit a Draft pick — it would be the second-rounder for the Indians, since they pick in the top 10. Here’s my favorite analysis of why Lohse won’t be successful on a long-term deal, courtesy of Beyond The Box Score: ”I’d be shocked if Lohse can keep throwing 200+ innings over the next three to five years, he simply does not have the track record. … In conclusion, don’t give big money and years to a pitcher on the wrong side of 30, who is coming off of a career year, and thus is due for regression. Seriously, it won’t end pretty, trust me.”   Shaun Marcum An intriguing arm that several teams seem to be interested in this offseason. He just turned 31 last week and has logged only 916.2 innings pitched in his MLB career because of several injuries (by comparison, Lohse has 1,973.0 career innings). He was limited to just 21 starts in 2012 because of nagging shoulder, elbow and calf injuries. But, when healthy, he’s always been successful at the big league level. Since 2010 with Toronto, he’s 33-19 with a 3.62 ERA, 7.5 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9. That’s certainly not typical ace material — although he was once the Opening Day starter for the Jays — but certainly would be considered a vast improvement over what the Indians have now. There’s certainly risk in a Marcum signing. This line and all the research from Brewers blog Disciples of Uecker certainly scares me: “If you believe the Brewers’ research — and at this point, they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt — Marcum is a ticking timebomb, and a risk they’ve been unwilling to take.   Joe Saunders Saunders was the lead topic of Buster Olney’s recent article on “The next tier of free agents”: I got a text in the middle of the winter meetings from a veteran player. ‘Why isn’t there more talk about Joe Saunders?’ he wrote. ‘He’s really good.’ He is unspectacular but solid, for sure, consistently taking the ball and posting ERAs in the range of 3.60 to 4.60 in his career; he had a 4.07 ERA for the Diamondbacks and Orioles last year. ” A soft-tossing lefty that will turn 32 next summer, he hasn’t had a great season since 2008 with the Angels, but certainly has been productive enough to register some big money on the free agent market. If an older Jeremy Guthrie can get 3 years and $25 million, there’s no reason why Saunders can’t too. For his MLB career, he’s averaged just 5.1 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9, along with a 4.15 ERA. Slightly Derek Lowe-esque in terms of the low number of strikeouts, but he walks more guys. He did well in the postseason for Baltimore last season, so early indications are that he could eventually reach a deal with the O’s.   According to FanGraphs‘ successful and unique crowdsourcing results for possible free agent deals, here is what these three pitchers are likely to command on the open market: Lohse — 4 years, $52 million Marcum — 2 years, $20 million Saunders — 2 years, $16 million For obvious reasons then, I think most folks would understand why I would prefer the latter two guys. Fewer years, less risky and less money. They’re also younger, which is again why I can’t get over the fact that Lohse will be getting over $50 million on the open market after being so mediocre (at best) for the Twins earlier last decade. For some extra baseball insight, I also reached out to WFNY baseball gurus Jon and TD for their thoughts on these three guys. Here’s what Jon, an admitted St. Louis fan initially, said about Lohse: “Lohse is not remotely elite, though he’s going to command #2 money. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets more than E Jax, but less than Anibal. And that’d likely be too much, IMO.” TD added that he doesn’t buy Lohse as an AL pitcher one bit. So where does that leave the Indians? Certainly Marcum or Saunders could be possibly interesting additions to the rotation. Marcum has been more successful in the big leagues, but is a clear injury risk. Saunders has been more consistent and durable, but is yet another soft-tossing lefty who doesn’t really intimidate a lot of batters. But that’s where the trade conversations with the Dodgers return to my mind. Here are the stats on Harang and Capuano over the last three years, who both turned 34 last season: Name Year W L ERA G IP ERA+ SO/9 BB/9 SO/BB WAR OPS Aaron Harang 2010 6 7 5.32 22 111.2 77 6.6 3.1 2.16 -1.0 0.841 Aaron Harang 2011 14 7 3.64 28 170.2 98 6.5 3.1 2.14 0.7 0.758 Aaron Harang 2012 10 10 3.61 31 179.2 105 6.6 4.3 1.54 1.4 0.711 Chris Capuano 2010 4 4 3.95 24 66.0 102 7.4 2.9 2.57 0.7 0.755 Chris Capuano 2011 11 12 4.55 33 186.0 81 8.1 2.6 3.17 0.4 0.781 Chris Capuano 2012 12 12 3.72 33 198.1 102 7.4 2.5 3.00 1.8 0.715   Again, overall, the lefty Capuano has been more successful recently, when healthy, than the righty Harang. Capuano missed all of 2008 and almost all of 2009 following his second Tommy John surgery. He pitched his most innings in 2012 since 2006. Harang, on the other hand, has pitched 160+ innings in eight of the last nine seasons (only exception: his awful 2010). His prime certainly was 2005-2007 when he posted a 4.3, 5.0 and 5.8, respectively, in the WAR categories. Those are borderline All-Star numbers. Both pitchers had signed with the Dodgers in December 2011. Capuano’s deal was 2 years and $10 million with a mutual option for 2014. Harang’s deal was 2 years and $12 million with a mutual option for 2014. Overall, I’m now more intrigued by the less-risky perspective of reaching a deal with LA for one of these two guys. Harang has nearly been exactly what the Indians are looking for — an innings eater with a solid pedigree. His walk ratio in 2012 does scare me a bit. Meanwhile, Capuano — also of the Brewers mold initially — kind of resembles the injury history of Shaun Marcum, but that’s why his deal is at a much lower rate. A mid-level prospect and a relief arm would seem to be a decent deal for one of these two guys, at best. I think that’s a better overall risk-reward assessment for a one-year and possibly two-year rental of an arm, rather than spending more precious money on guys that are relatively at the same profile in terms of Marcum and Saunders. Certainly, I think the Indians do need more help in the rotation than in the lineup. I broke down recently how poor the Indians’ starting pitching prospects are, outside of Bauer. But I’d rather not make a big splash and fall, when the Harang-Capuano stop-gaps also are options too. I’m confident we’ll hear plenty about all five of these pitchers in the coming week. – AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar
GET THE YARDBARKER APP:
Ios_download En_app_rgb_wo_45
MORE FROM YARDBARKER

WATCH: K-State players storm student section after big win

Tony Dungy coaches his way into Canton

Top eight takeaways from NFL Honors awards

Report: Austin Rivers out 4-6 weeks with broken hand

Brett Favre Hall of Fame discussion took less than 10 seconds

WATCH: Pop wishes Kobe well in heartfelt message

LIKE WHAT YOU SEE?
GET THE DAILY NEWSLETTER:

Eric Berry named NFL Comeback Player of the Year

Cam Newton to be named NFL MVP

Ezekiel Elliott hung out with Jim Brown

Rickie Fowler taunted by fans over his ex-girlfriend

Roger Goodell speaks about future of Pro Bowl in annual address

Mike Krzyzewski provides an update on his health

Another star confirmed for Super Bowl 50 halftime show

WATCH: Wayne Simmonds loses his cool, earns match penalty

Winners and losers from 2016 Hall of Fame vote

Brett Favre, Tony Dungy headline Hall of Fame Class of 2016

Terrell Owens says he was not elected to Hall of Fame

Bruins prospect hit in throat with puck, taken to hospital

WATCH: Mavs rookie laughed at for trash talking Spurs bench

Norris Cole has No. 30 retired with LeBron James, New Orleans Pelicans in attendance

Three keys to victory for the Broncos in Super Bowl 50

Torrey Smith: ‘This is probably the best offense’ for Kaepernick

Byron Scott thought D’Angelo Russell would be further along

Under-the-radar Super Bowl 50 matchups

Is Tim Lincecum's run with the San Francisco Giants done?

MLB News
Delivered to your inbox
You'll also receive Yardbarker's daily Top 10, featuring the best sports stories from around the web. Customize your newsletter to get articles on your favorite sports and teams. And the best part? It's free!

By clicking "Sign Me Up", you have read and agreed to the Fox Sports Digital Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. You can opt out at any time. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy.
the YARDBARKER app
Get it now!
Ios_download En_app_rgb_wo_45

The 14 biggest plays in Super Bowl history

Five outrageous predictions for Super Bowl 50

QUIZ: Name the winning starting quarterback from every Super Bowl

The top six matchups that could decide Super Bowl 50

Seven unheralded players set to make major impacts in SB 50

10 underrated performances in the NBA Slam Dunk Contest

X-factors in Super Bowl 50

NHL nightmare: No Canadian teams in playoff hunt

QUIZ: Name the Super Bowl halftime performers since 1991

Manziel's father fears for QB's life

Today's Best Stuff
For Publishers
Company Info
Help
Follow Yardbarker