Found August 15, 2008 on Walton's Wisdom:
All it takes is one good playoff series, a single spectacular game, even one buzzer-beater for a player to boost his status among the NBA's elite. Before long, he is being praised with the game's all-time greats and all but guaranteeing his spot in Springfield. A reputation can sometimes be a tough thing to gain, but is usually an even tougher thing to lose. Reputations, right or wrong, lead to the notion that a player is either underrated or overrated. Both sides of the coin are often debated, but I find it more interesting to talk about why a player is overrated than why he is underrated. Without further ado, here is my list of the five most overrated players in the NBA: 5. Dwyane Wade, Heat: Some may scoff at this ranking, pointing to the NBA Championship he won after being in the league just three seasons. I've even heard such absurd comments as "Wade won a title before Lebron, so he is a better player in my book." My response: has Lebron ever played with Shaq, or any player for that matter, that was a viable scoring option? No. The Cavs have never had a better second option than a slow, soft, and certainly goofy Zydrunas Illgauskas. I'll admit, I was on the Wade bandwagon -- until this year. I realize Wade was struggling with injuries, but did you watch any Heat games this year? Silly me -- they were on TNT every week, so how could you not have watched them play? Without Wade, they were pitiful. With Wade, they weren't much better. When Wade hung up the sneakers for the season, the Heat had an NBA-worst 11-54 record highlighted by a stint where they went 1-26. Can you honestly imagine KG, Lebron, Kobe, or Duncan - even paired with eleven of the league's worst players - starting a season 11-54? I sure can't. In fact, I think Wade is surrounded by just as much talent as Lebron and the Cavs finished 4th in the East. So why does Wade get mentioned in the same breath as the superstars I mentioned above? I rest my case. 4. Robert Horry, Spurs: I know he doesn't get a whole lot of mention during the regular season, but when the playoffs come around he is getting more publicity than the Beckhams. I swear Marv Albert is going to spontaneously combust every time he utters the phrase "Aw-ry, for three!" I realize big names are born in the playoffs, and Horry has hit numerous game winners, but let's examine his career stats: 7.0 pts & 4.8 rebs. "Yeah, but he saves his game for the playoffs when it counts..." Horry's career playoff averages? 8.4 pts & 5.8 rebs. He shoots 42% in the regular season and 43% in the playoffs. Those shots in the final minute have been clutch, no doubt, but what about the other 47 minutes in the game? Is he more valuable than the guys who put up 20+ during the game purely because he has a propensity for hitting the "big one" at the end? Apparently so, because I've heard more than one broadcaster plead Horry's case for the Hall of Fame. If that prophecy ever came true, he would have beat out hundreds, if not thousands, of current and former players who have contributed more to their team's success over the course of an entire 48-minute game. 3. Yao Ming, Rockets: I really hesitated on this one, because I think Yao has all the tools to be one of the most dominant forces this league has ever seen. He is 7'6", yet shoots free throws better than most guards (85%+). It's not that I think Yao has underachieved per say, I just think he has been the victim of unparalleled hype. The first player to come to the NBA from the World's most populous region, this hype was probably inevitable. That said, he is grossly overrated. I measure a player's worth by the overall impact he has on his team's winning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Rockets play their best ball while Yao has been out of the lineup? I'm not saying he makes the team worse, I'm merely pointing out his team has continued to improve despite his absense. I hate to bring up King James again, but every time he is out of the lineup, the Cavs play miserably. Same goes for the Suns when Nash is out, and the Spurs when Duncan isn't playing. At this point, Yao is an offensive force who is incredibly injury-prone, a defensive liability, and picks up stupid fouls. Sure, he is capable of putting up 30 & 15 any given night, but does he really make the Rockets much better as a team? If this past season showed us anything, it's that the Rockets can be an elite team -- with or without Yao. Part of my claim that Yao is overrated stems from my beef with McGrady-haters. T-Mac has taken most of the heat for the Rockets' underachievement in the postseason, while Yao has escaped criticism for the most part. If you watched the Rockets-Jazz series two years ago (like I did), you saw McGrady at his best, putting up 25 pts, 7 asts, & 6 rebs per game in the series. By no means did his play lead to the Rockets' demise. The Rockets lost that series because Yao couldn't contain a smaller, quicker Carlos Boozer, giving up 35 pts and 14 rebounds to the Jazz big man in the decisive game 7 (Boozer scored 41 in game 2 of that series, as well). 2. Shawn Marion, Heat: This selection probably has a few of you scratching your heads, and I think I know why. This may be counterintuitive, but Marion is a rare player that has been called underrated so much over his career that he has actually become overrated. Marion's pouting in Phoenix these past few years has been well-documented, as he has called himself undervalued (despite being paid $16.4M per year) and asked to have more plays called his way. Either D'Antoni totally missed the ball, or Marion just isn't the type of player you can run an offense through. I tend to believe D'Antoni in this case, as he is an offensive mastermind. Marion will fill up the stat sheet, but he cannot create his own shot. He may be the best "garbage" player in the league, but his team will only be successful if he is surrounded by capable offensive threats and he doesn't have to be a primary option. Case in point: the Heat got no better after acquiring the Matrix and his efficiency dipped with Wade out. For this reason, I don't think he's deserving of that gaudy contract. If a player's contract is reflective of his perceived worth, I think he is one of the most overvalued players in the league. 1. Shane Battier, Rockets: I know a lot of you Dukies are going to be butt-hurt over this selection. Coach K's golden boy could never do wrong if you're a true fan of the white and blue. His heroics guided Duke to a National Title and his intellect warranted Billy Packer's bona fide man-crush during March Madness. I know, I know, Shane is "Mr. Efficient." He's as consistent as winter rain in the Northwest. If by consistent you mean consistently mediocre, I agree. Despite playing nearly 37 mpg, he has only managed to average 9 pts and 5 rb per contest this season. For a player who's consistency and fundamentals are constantly praised, I was surpised to find he was shooting a miserable 43% from the field and a below-average 72% from the charity stripe. It's not that Shane is a bad NBA player, it's just that he is very average. For whatever reason, though, USA Basketball (mainly Coach K) felt inclined to include him on the National Team. I know that the staff is looking for the best "team," not necessarily the best "players." Using that criteria, what makes Battier a better fit than Ime Udoka or Luke Walton? Because he is Shane Battier, "Mr. Efficient," "Mr. Intangibles," or whatever other adorable nickname he earned in college. In my opinion, Shane Battier has been a bigger beneficiary of his past reputation than any other player in the league. The fact that he was asked to represent our country last summer as one of our best fifteen players is reason enough to call him the most overrated player in the game.
Comments 1-50 (of 77):
  • I really disagree with D-Wade being in the top five. This last season, he was battling injuries. The year before that, dont forget that he lead the Heat to be NBA Champions. Also, just look what Wade is doing for the USA NBA Basketball team. He has been the best player and averaging more points that anyone.
  • I agree, he is coming back strong, especially with team USA.
  • i think i'll disagree with dwayne wade, yao ming and shane battier... dwayne is one of the most versatile players in the league and can do things other guys simply cant..... yao ming is one the best centers in the league at a time when we dont have many the guy plus the guy isnt even the fan favorite in his own country i think his expectations are the only ting thats overated... and as shane battier who ever talks about shane? lol only thing that guy really brings is defense
  • Justwannawinna: Good point about Yao not being the fan favorite in his own country, I actually hadn't thought about that.
  • Look at how many turnovers Wade averages. He may not be top five overrated, but he's making an effort to be there.
  • I actually wrote this article during last NBA season right when Wade went out for the season. I've been really impressed by his play in the Olympics, but I wasn't impressed by his 11-54 record with the Heat last year. I think he's one of the top 10 players in the league, but up until recently he was compared to Lebron and Kobe. I just don't see him being as good as either of those two guys, so that's why I believed he was overrated. Very good, just slightly overrated.
  • he was battling injuries that eventually knocked him out for the season....why would you base anything off that when you saw what he did when winning a championship. sure he had shaq but you obviously werent watching if you didnt wade put the team on his back (including shaqs fat as$) and lead them to a NBA finals victory.
  • I'll agree -- Shaq's finals performance was terrible that year. I think Wade's great, just not Kobe/Lebron great, and I've heard those comparisons SEVERAL times. Tony Parker put his team on his back in the '07 Finals and I don't think he's Lebron/Kobe great, either.

    Wade's performance in the Finals was remarkable, and you're right --- I should have made mention of this.
  • well thanks for listening, just a difference in oppinion
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  • They all play in the most overrated league, what do you expect?
  • Wade, not overrated. Yao, only Dwight Howard's better than him. Horry, just lucky but there when you need him most, and has 7 rings. Battier, great role player.
  • I can't call Wade a top-5 player until he shows he can get the Heat to at least a .500 record without Shaq. Last season was a disgrace. I will say he was banged up, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there. With his performance in the Olympics, he'll probably be off my overrated players list by next season.

    Yao, while unstoppable at the offensive end, is a liability on defense. His team played better after he got injured last year, when Dikembe Mutombo was starting. And with the amount of hype that he had coming over here, the only way he wouldn't be overrated is if he were about 3 MVP's deep.

    Horry is definitely clutch -- but this gets overplayed. He has hit some big ones, but people mention him as a potential hall of famer, which I disagree with.

    Battier is a great role player, but there are about 25 of those in the league. He gets the most accolades of any of them, so I find that to be overrated. Plus, I wanted to have a mix of all stars and non-all stars on the list.
  • For Wade, it's hard to get to the playoffs when the good half of your championship roster is gone and replaced with D-Leaguers, on top of being injured. Don't forget, Yao was an MVP canidate until his injury. Battier gets praised a lot because he's known as one of the premier defenders in the league and that's pretty much it.
  • Okay... you keep saying the team played better without Yao in the lineup. That is just plain false. Of their 22 game win streak the Rockets won 12 (more than half) while Yao was in the lineup. They began playing a different offense when he went out that involved more team play and Carl Landry and Scola stepped up like never before. That's a testment to the strength of the other players not the medicority of Yao. The Rockets were 16 games over .500 when Yao went out and 12 over .500 afterward. Once the streak ended the team struggled to close out the season only going 2 games over .500 after the streak ended. So to say they played better without him is again, flat out flase.
  • I don't even think D-Howard is better than Yao yet. It depends on what kind of a team you have. For the Rockets, Yao is certainly better than Dwight Howard, but for a team like Phoenix, D-Howard is better by far.
    WaltonWisdom is way out of hand by listing Dwyane Wade was one of the "MOST" overrated players. The guy was injured last season playing with crybaby no-longer-can-dunk Shaq and his team got Ricky friggin Davis. Walton is one of the guys that cannot see past the statistics and make fundamental evaluations.
    I agree with Shane Battier being overrated, because at best he's no better than Bruce Bowen, yet everyone touts him as the perfect player. Yeah, he's awesome and I appreciate Battier, but I'd take Artest with his head screwed on straight ANYDAY over Battier.
    As for WaltonWisdom claiming that Rockets played their best ball without Yao, that's BS. They already won 12 games with Yao and then went on a hot streak to win 22. That's like saying the Knicks were better without Ewing or when the Knicks won the championship, they were better without Willis Reed. That is absolutely absurd. Yao has one of the best PER/minute stats in the game. It's Rafer Alston, Battier, and Chuck Hayes that can't seem to do anything on the offensive end to contribute.
  • Shane Battier and Robert Horry? When I say Houston Rockets, no one ever thinks of Battier it's always Tracy McGrady or Yao Ming...the same the the Spurs, but with Ginobli, Tony Parker, and Tim Duncan. I dont see how they can be overrated when they've never had the spotlight on their team.
  • Because Coach K used his influence to get him on the National Team last summer. Also because he is universally recognized as the model role player, when I'd argue that Ime Udoka, Bruce Bowen, and James Posey are all better.
  • This list is very dumb, Yao is one of the best centers, and Wade carried a team to a championship.
  • You can be one of the best and still be overrated... but you are entitled to your opinion, that's what this is for.
  • So so wrong. Maybe Shawn Marion, but the dude still gets near 17 and 10 a game. Even if it's 'garbage' style, 17 and 10 is 17 and 10.
  • Does that warrant paying him close to $20M per? That puts him in an elite class, even in the NBA -- that's also why Phoenix dumped him. A guy who can't create his own shot on offense should never have one of the highest salaries in the NBA.
  • Overpaid and overrated are two different things.
  • Yeah, I'll agree that salary is not the only indicator of "overrated"; I talked about that with a poster further down in this discussion. It does play some role, though, because at least SOMEONE (team management) values him as highly as they pay him.

    Good point, though.
  • Shane Battier is a great role player, with great defense. Robert Horry is known for his clutch shots, not even his playoff games as a whole. Dwade I was starting to think the same as you, but the Olympics are giving a little hope. Lets wait to see how he does next year.
  • i agree with them all except wade, he gets injured but he is no way overrated. shaq hardly helped in the finals, putting up a meager 11 ppg, whereas wade had 35 (10 more than lebron) and they were facing a fantastic defense that year. wade isn't overrated he's just a fantastic player who is injury prone, but as you can see (USA team) he is clearly back in full form. you have to give wade for still playing with the amount of injuries he's had, he even played for his team when his entire left shoulder was virtually unusable 2 years ago against the bulls for the playoffs. the guys a warrior and in no way underrated.
  • He is a warrior, you're right about that. My only beef is the placing of him on Lebron & Kobe's playing field. I don't think he's quite there, and I guess that talk has kinda stopped in the past year or so.
  • I really don't agree with any of the players on this list. How about a different 5-
    1. Jason Kidd- Devin Harris was a much better fit for Dallas than Kidd. Obviously he is a legendary passer, but is one of the worst shooters in the NBA, plays terrible defense and has lost 3 or 4 steps.
    2. Carmelo Anthony- An incredible scorer. Gives little else. A smattering of rebounds, poor passer, no defense. Most importantly, hasn't made it out of the first round with a talented nucleus.
    3. Mike Dunleavy- Can any player not match his 07-08 stats being the number one option for a terrible team?
    4. TJ Ford- Held back Toronto the last two years getting minutes over the superior Jose Calderon. The fact that he gets traded for Jermaine O'Neal rather than a bag of balls is mind blowing.
    5. Pau Gasol- The 2008 playoffs showed what he really is. An extremely soft stat compiler.
  • I agree with you Shakespeare, much better list
  • Better list, no one talks about Dunleavy at all.
  • I especially agree on the Ason Kidd front. I didn't include him on my list, because there has actually been quite a bit of talk lately about his fall-off.

    Anthony is generally not regarded as highly as the others in his class, and rightfully so.

    Dunleavy isn't talked about at all, so how is he overrated?

    Ford was overrated by his coaching staff, but he's rarely mentioned by fans. Almost anyone who writes about sports (media, bloggers, etc.) knows Calderon is better than Ford.

    Unfortunately, I agree about Gasol. But let's rephrase your statement: The 2008 FINALS showed what he really is. He played decent in the rest of the playoffs.

    This is a very subjective task, especially to narrow it down to a top 5...
  • We in Oakland call him Dumbleavy. He is definetly not rated highly around here.
  • I think you could throw Jermaine in that too. I'd still rather have Pau on my team than J-O. Pau is extremely soft, but at least he's talented on one end of the floor. Wouldn't say Dunleavy is overrated though, since no one really thinks of him as any more than a role player.
  • I disagree about Dunleavy, Ford, and Gasol.

    Dunleavy was the best player on a team that nearly made the playoffs. Does that mean Wade's numbers are meaningless since his team was terrible? Brandon Roy's numbers are also meaningless? No, Dunleavy finally had a good season.

    TJ Ford played nearly as well as Calderon, and they both played starters' minutes.

    Pau Gasol improved the Lakers immensely and helped them reach the finals. Once in the finals, he was not a good matchup against the Celtics, and other Lakers did worse too. That does not make him a bad player.
  • Good point about the matchup factor for Gasol, but I think his toughness (or lack thereof) is a bit of a problem against any team from the East, should they make the finals again. Most of the big men in the West are finesse players, so it isn't as much of an issue before the finals.
  • ill take shakespears list 2. d-wade has been hurt and when he was healthy he was a top 5 player in the league. he was how chris paul was but a bigger version who scored. look at the oylmpics, now that he is healthy he is throwing down like he did before
  • Please convince me Kobe, Lebron, or KG could EVER play for an 11-54 team in the East, banged up or not. Those are the players Wade has been mentioned in the same breath as, and that's why I'm calling him overrated. Paul is a far better passer & ballhandler than Wade -- take one look at their assist/turnover ratios.

    Wade wasn't overrated when he dominated the NBA finals 3 years ago, but he's been living off that reputation ever since. As I've said numerous times on this discussion, Wade will be off this list next year if he proves his injuries are curbed and his team plays well. I'm expecting that to happen.
  • and shane battier os 1 of the best defense players in the game and is underrated, not overrated. hes a great role player and good at what he does. no1 is calling him a superstar because hes not and tats not his role
  • So is Ime Udoka, so is Raja Bell, so is Bruce Bowen, etc., etc., etc. None of those guys got asked to play on the Olympic team last summer.
  • Bruce bowen give you nothing on offense. zip. raja is a hot head and could mess with team chemistry. Shane is a great team player and can contribute on offense when asked 2. thats y he was asked over them. i have no idea who Udoka is lol.
  • Battier gives you the same thing as Bowen does on offense: 3 point baskets. That's it. Battier averaged 9 ppg, Bowen averaged 6 ppg. If you call the extra 3 ppg added offense, then I'll give it to ya.

    Raja is an idiot at times, but it's always been directed at the opponent in my understanding. I have never heard any complaints from the Suns about him being a poor teammate. His hot headedness is seen in his tripping of Kobe or his technical fouls. I don't know if that really messes with team chemistry, but I could be wrong.

    Haha, Udoka was kind of a random name but relevant nonetheless. Just ask Spurs fans. I know of Udoka because he came out of Portland (where I live). The Spurs signed him last year -- he's a younger version of Bowen with more offensive upside.
  • well said
  • *well said Dreads
  • yao ming is very over rated. He should be one of the best players since he is so tall. He seems of balance all the time.
    It seems like every year he gets dunked on
  • Of course he's gonna get dunked on. At least he doesn't pussy out and get out the way. Tim Duncan gets dunked on ALL THE TIME and he is still All-Defensive team every year. Yao is a 20-10 center, which is extremely rare now. Battier isn't overrated, D-Wade is the most overrated. He isn't good on defense at all. I remember when they played the Lakers a few years back, a 38 year old Gary Payton was guarding Kobe, not "the superstar" Wade. Wade is only thought of a star because of the Finals in which every time he touched the ball, a foul was called, and may I remind you it was in a time when the NBA was rigged by refs? Wade in the Donaghy-era is kind of similar to Bonds in the steroid-era. Wade can't shoot AT ALL. He is a great athlete, even among other great athletes, but you need more than athleticism to be elite, which he isn't despite what many think.
  • Shawn Bradley was 7'6 and he wasn't that good. He's the original guy getting dunked on. Even Yao dunked him. Tall doesn't always equal talented, and Yao is one of the best.
  • hmm... ask greece if d wade should be there... your an idiot go away from me
  • Will do, Sixersfan. Just do me a favor and work on that vocabulary.
  • wade has been the best on the olympic team.
  • What a terrible list! My list goes something like:

    Vince Carter
    Ben Gordon
    Zach Randolph
    Pau Gasol
    Ron Artest

    Thoughts?
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