Posted February 05, 2013


LOOKING at the mock Draft board on the Eagles site will make you think that the 4th overall pick will be Offensive Tackle Luke Joeckel. (There are just as many nods for Cornerback Dee Milliner, but the Raiders pick 3rd and need a CB as badly as the Eagles need a FS. So I don't see Milliner still being on the board at 4.)

The Eagles need O-Linemen, but not with 1st round level need. I think the players difficulty adjusting to Mudd's technique, and the absolute PLAGUE of injuries, worsened by an appalling lack of depth; made the O-Line look worse than it really is. I'm not saying it's a great line, but it has the potential to be good. 

We already know they can run block. That has never been called into question. Where we all raise an eyebrow is in pass protection. Even before Mudd got here, teams were teeing off on our QB's.

Some blame the QB for holding onto the ball too long. I put more blame on play after play featuring a bunch of deep routes without a dump-off guy. When Michael Vick had Alge Crumpler as a safety valve in Atlanta, there was NEVER a complaint about him holding the ball too long. In fact it was quite the opposite. Nick Foles was a rookie trying to execute the offense, and Vince Young is a doof. If they had a dump-off guy, I'm sure Vick or Foles would use him well. How many dump-offs did Donovan McNabb throw Chad Lewis and Brian Westbrook? How many shovel passes? How'd it work out for him?

Why don't we run screens much anymore?

We do need help upfront. No doubt about that. We could use a better Center or a legit Right Guard. But we don't need them in the 1st round. 

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  • I'm not talking about him running, I'm talking about him being a pocket passer. 32-33 is hardly ancient for a pocket passer.

    As the guy who used to say he reads Defenses at a 3rd grade level, I have to tell the truth and spite the devil, Vick HAS gotten leaps and bounds better at going through his progressions than he was back when he was in Atlanta.

    After looking at it a great deal today and actually weighing it, I hope he is our 2013 starter.

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  • Or hold that tiger????
    god Im showing my age!!!!
  • The Eagles only have one 3rd round pick, 20 dawk. They have their own picks from rounds 1 through 5, they have Denver's 6th round pick, they have their own 7th round pick and Cleveland's 7th rounder.
  • In a Guard you want TWO things:

    You want STRONG. You want QUICK. EVERYTHING ELSE you can teach.

    JOHN SULLEN out of Auburn (6'5" 340) is not highly touted, but he would would give the Eagles depth, power and experience running a scheme which requires pulling.

    He'd also give the Eagles the size to be dominant at the type of double-teams that Chip Kelly likes to use in the run game.
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  • I would wait to take a Tackle in the 2nd or 3rd.

    KYLE LONG out of Oregon (6'6 304) comes directly out of Chip Kelly's system and is a natural fit to go right back into it.

    Here's what he thinks of the system:
    "You need to have mental toughness, physical toughness and you have to be in condition to play in an offense that moves in such a high tempo. We play at a fast tempo and then when we need to, we kick it into overdrive. He'll say, 'We're going to go tempo here' and everyone looks around and we all lick our chops because we know the guy across from us is going to be more exhausted than we are because we prepared and practiced at a high level.

    "[NFL defenses will be] faster when the ball's snapped, but it's going to be difficult for them to get up there when you're running a play every 14 seconds."

    Almost no learning curve means he could fill-in in case of an injury or even be a Day One starter. Sometimes good thing come to those who wait.
  • NO WAY can you pass on Joeckel if he falls to four. not only is he graded the best o-linemen this year but hes said to be the best overall. peters are herremans are no doubt great tackles and mathis got snubbed this year by not getting voted to the pro bowl. having peters, herremans, kelce, and watkins healthy will be great for our line. but i'm not sold on watkins at all i think he was a bad pick. Joeckel will give us a guy who could be a pro bowler for years AND herremans could move to RG. that would make our o-line one of the best in the league.
  • LOL!!!!!!!!!!
    I shared this with the woman and she said "The answer had better be none."
    I think with most of them, it's just about scoring points among a certain little clique of them. I'm like their Darth Vader or something. I was the old lion when they got here and they like to challenge the throne or some such nonsense. There's nothing to be "won" but...Ah the little people right?

    As for Herremans and Peters, they're both coming off injuries, which is why I figure that Chip Kelly could get himself a guy who's already bought into the concept/system if he grabs Kyle Long in the 2nd or 3rd.

    Not just that but if Long is here, every lineman on the team will feel heat from the notion that Kelly is already comfortable with Long as a starter. That helps to drive them harder.
  • LOL. That is funny, flip. Darth Vader or something? Take a look back on when we have disagreed in the past. McNabb, Reid and your comments to barkers telling some of us how we should "behave" on yardbarker and also telling us we shouldn't complain about a pitiful season that led to a 4-12 record. I never "take you on" just to go after some imaginary throne. You go ahead and believe your own distorted views on how people view you on here. Maybe you're Darth Vader to some, Luke Skywalker to others...to me you're just an opinion on a website that has gotten a little more absurd as the Eagles have gotten worse.

  • His reasoning I (we...whatever) debate him has got to be the kicker. I disagreed heavily with how he feels about these issues when we have had words. This year he felt that Reid should not have been fired, that we should just sit back and cheer on a 4-12 team while staying positive and also called us a few derogatory words while telling us to basically be more like him while posting. Of course he is going to have a few barkers disagreeing with him...of course I am going to be one of them especially since he has launched comments directly at me.

    I haven't seen any mocks that have the Eagles with a second 3rd round pick. Let me know where if you come across another one.
  • Hey Hunter! You check out the whining above? One of them actually DID refer to me as 'Vader'! See my point?

    Not a single word about the picks I recommend on here, or how they could help to maximize the Eagles depth, save money AND why they likely would be great fits. Though you can never be 100% sure unless you're a psychic or insane.

    I think these guys like discussing ME more than they like discussing football. FINE BY ME! As a guy in show biz, I absolutely LOVE discussing me!
  • No one here knows as much football as me? Wow! I'm flattered.

    But really, I don't think I know MORE, I just talk about football with the view of looking out of a helmet. I talk about the WHY of football. Most fans aren't concerned with WHY. All they want is WHAT. When you overlook WHY you end with poor product regardless of what industry you're in.

    As for your question: I would probably pass this year on a Center, but if I HAD to draft for the pivot, I'll take MARIO BENAVIDES (6'3 290) out of Louisville. He's undersized but he has a rep as a sound technician. You need a solid tech guy to set the tone for the rest of the line. I wouldn't call him a starter yet, but trust me, a guy like that as back up is a luxury.

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