Posted February 10, 2013

LOOKS like Michael Vick is trying to keep a contract that makes him too pricey to bench for any length of time, regardless of what roster he's on in 2013.

It also looks like the Eagles want his price tag to drop so they can move him if need be. At this point they couldn't move him for a 7th round draft pick because his contract would force teams to either burn up way too much cap space for a back-up, or jettison quality depth. 

So right now we're sort of... stuck...with him unless they want to cut him. And that's the other side of the problem. 

Chip Kelly doesn't have enough confidence in Nick Foles to call him the starter. Sure you'll hear him say stuff like "There'll be an open competition" or " The best guy will play" but you'll know it's BS when the 3rd stringer isn't in the mix and the depth chart still has Andy Reid's handwriting on it. Meanwhile Kelly is spending $3 million of the Eagles money to hold onto Vick, at least temporarily. 

My guess here (and that's all it is, MY guess) is that like me, Kelly knows Vick is the best QB on his roster. Right now he has the OPTION of Foles, but if he cuts Vick so the the team can try to re-sign him for less, if Vick signs elsewhere, Kelly is then STUCK with Foles. It's option vs. stuck. 

With a choice between the two you pick the OPTION. 

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  • He isn't the worst quarterback ever, Spotella but he has been BAD for over two years and is certainly not worth the 16 million dollars (although if you want to look at completion percenatges in long careers I wouldn't doubt his is one of the worst). The one thing that worries me just a bit with this whole scenario is that Kelly would have done Vick a favor by cutting him before the deadline if he is going to release him but one thing I am almost certain of...if Vick doesn't renegotiate he won't be an Eagle. It's one thing going into your season taking a shot at a 33 year old, oft injured quarterback who is almost as big a questionmark as anyone else when running Kelly's's a whole different story paying him elite quarterback money while doing it.
  • As you said, Kelly would have done VICK a favor by cutting him early. Would he have done HIMSELF a favor though?

    Short answer: Nope.

    Vick hasn't asked to be released yet either has he? Hasn't made a peep has he? No idle threats either. That whole business of wanting out if he isn't the starter? Not a quote. I DRAGGED the internet looking for it. It simply doesn't exist.

    Kelly can't be looking to trade him at this point ($), and PRE-DRAFT is where he'd have the most leverage to do so, as by Draft day teams who want a QB will have their answer via FA or will have made roster and cap space looking to draft one.

    If Vick isn't gone by the Draft, he'll be starting here in September. Nobody wants to hear that (well actually I'm fine with hearing it for 2013, just not beyond) but the reality is upgrading at that position (via trade) will set the team back in other positions, and the consensus is the draft holds no blue chips.

    Tom Brady is the exception. There, I said it first. The reality is that teams are MUCH better at predicting QB busts than they are at predicting sure-fire stars. Or even starters. For this many teams to cool on QB's, even early ones, is a warning sign. It's like looking into the distance and seeing a mushroom cloud. You simply don't go there. If 2013's QB crop looks weak, wait a year for what everyone says will be a bumper crop. A year like 2014.

    Your view is if we're waiting that year anyway, let's see what Foles has. That's fine until you step back and look at the bigger picture.

    If Kelly thought Foles could fit the system that move would make sense; but remember any adjustments made to the system made to cover Foles deficiencies in it, affects how he'd teach the system and it's adjustments to the ENTIRE unit in 2013. So when the next QB comes in you'd have to RE-TEACH the thing from the ground up. Kelly's entire Offense would be a rookie unit 2 years in a row.

    If they start Vick this year, and they draft a right-handed QB in 2014, the only adjustment is re-orienting everything from left to right. OTA's and training camp would be enough time to do that. Draft another lefty, and you only have to teach the QB. Either way, if the Offense works the same in 2014 as it did in 2013, veterans can help mentor any new guys along.

    So you see starting Vick isn't just about his 40 time.
  • I'm not going to pretend to know what Kelly is thinking but keeping Vick begs this question to be answered if Vick is in Philly especially if it's at his full price...What the hell did Kelly see when looking at the film? We'll see what happens, flip. I'd rather see Kelly modify his system for Foles than to waste another year with Vick under center, you'd rather see Vick. I typed to hollywood (I think it was hollywood) a couple days ago and stated that it's possible that Kelly's starter isn't even on the current roster. The Eagles are supposedly in talks with Dennis Dixon and I heard he couldn't sign until tomorrow so we'll see what happens with that. I have no illusions that a practice squad player could make this team a playoff contender but I have no illusions that Vick will this year either. If Dixon is signed it would probably be in more of a mentor type role since he has experience with the system but maybe his experience ends up giving him the edge over any other QB on the roster. If they give up on their 3rd round draft pick because he doesn't fit their system just maybe they will try to trade Foles and if that's the case than possibly Kelly takes a 3rd or 4th round draft pick this year and chooses a QB more to his style. EJ Manuel comes to mind and in most drafts he is projected to be a 3rd or 4th round pick as of now but thanks to his MVP showing in the Senior Bowl I'm hearing his name being thrown about more often. A nice showing in the combine and in his Pro day and he will probably be climbing into the second round and you never know maybe even the 1st to a team that may be willing to take a chance on him. 6'4, 230-240 lbs with a strong arm and good speed but unfortunately it seems he shares some of the same weaknesses as Vick if you believe some of his scouting reports. Manuel was one of the quarterbacks interviewed by the Eagles at the Senior Bowl and Kelly wanted him at Oregon but he didn't want to leave the east coast so any interest by the Eagles would be understandable. Another quarterback the Eagles are rumored to like this year is Ryan Nassib out of Syracuse. Start Foles if Kelly keeps him, start Dixon if they pick him up if he is the best quarterback in the preseason or any rookie or free agent that is on the team who is the standout. Vick for a year is just a waste in my opinion...of cap space and possible learning experience for the quarterbacks who will be here beyond 2013. I get it isn't up to me or you...just hoping Kelly see's what the majority in Philly has seen.
  • See that right there? The last line you typed? THAT is the disconnect.

    This is not about faith in Vick. No one (not even Vick I'm guessing) sees him on this roster at all in 2014. It's about the system that Kelly has to install. Does he install it ONCE and then bring the new QB (and any possible FA's) up to speed; or does he install it TWICE just to spend a year looking at Foles.

    Starting Foles does a favor for Foles, but why bother if he's not going to be the guy Kelly leans on?

    You said "I'd rather see Kelly modify his system for Foles than to waste another year with Vick under center". That does nothing at all for Kelly. For the very reasons you listed, Dennis Dixon is a much smarter move than Foles at this point, but only if the Eagles take a QB next year. Still at no point in the equation does Foles even begin to make sense.

    This is not about knowing what's in Kelly's head, it's about plain old common sense and basic career planning. 2013 isn't about Vick, Foles, or any other QB. It's about getting Kelly's team well positioned for the 2014 push.

    You told Spots in another post that even 8-8 would be hard for Kelly to reach. I happen to agree. I can't imagine that in his heart of hearts Lurie EXPECTS Kelly to win much this year, but I'll bet you he isn't telling Kelly not to worry about it either. Winning is a habit, just like losing. Even if 2013 tanks, Kelly will be expected to produce in 2014. So he has to make THAT bed THIS year. The only reason Vick and Dixon are even being discussed as 2013 options, is as teaching tools.

    You made the point earlier that a practice squad QB isn't coming in to change our fortunes. If changing our fortunes isn't Kelly's immediate focus, then 2013 has be viewed through the lens of whatever the ACTUAL mission is. And his decisions have to looked at through that lens as well.
  • I get what you are stating about Foles even though Kelly himself stated he doesn't need that running quarterback. I get that Kelly wasn't brought to the NFL to ignore his system but the talk is that Belichick and Brady sometimes run a watered down version of Kelly's offense (without the read option obviously) so I'm not convinced that Foles won't be in the picture at all but like I stated before, longterm it isn't likely to be Foles. Kelly would be foolish to ignore what got him to the NFL. Your comment about Vick being a teaching tool doesn't exactly fly with me either. How is he going to teach something he has to learn himself and I can't see the Eagles paying a teaching tool 16 million. Some of the quarterback questions should start resolving themselves by the draft.
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  • Seems you were right about Kelly wanting to see Vick in his offense although it seems it is at a reduced salary (reports are it's up to 10 million with incentives). I'll hope that this one year deal is just a way to make it easier to trade him (actually possible because there is no way anybody would have traded for him with that contract} but it certainly sounds like Vick is in the mix this year. All I see is turnovers, injuries and a change of address in 2014 but just like we both stated, this team isn't going to the playoffs this year anyway. I'll be interested to see if Foles gets dealt and how they round out the rest of the quarterback position.
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