Reid With Yet Another Cryptic Message To Vick.

Posted October 16, 2012
Andy Reid: I Alone Fired Castillo, more changes to come

[Eagles coach Andy Reid was vehement today that he alone made the decision to replace Juan Castillo as defensive coordinator, that saving his own job was not part of his thought process, Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News reports.

Reid also hinted at other pending changes. Asked about turnover-plagued quarterback Michael Vick, Reid repeated what he'd said a day earlier about Castillo, that Vick was the starter "as I sit here right now" -- even though Reid happened to be standing behind a lectern -- but he said he would continue to evaluate all phases of the operation during the team's bye week.

"I'm going through and evaluating our football team, both coaches and players. This is one of the moves. We'll see where this goes from here," said Reid, who said firing his loyal assistant of 14 years was "one of the tougher things I've had to do."]

Once again in so many day Andy Reid has sent a not so subtle public message to his quarterback and now he's NOT retracting his statements. I never thought Reid would have the stones to make this move, but the bottom line is someone has to take the fall for an offense that this terrible. Someone is going to have to take the fall for this offense. It will be Marty or it will be Mike. My guess is Mike.

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  • good one. Look I like Vick ut at this juncture its open season on any bird. If he needs to strike him down. Take Babin or Marty... etc. Im open to anything at this point.
  • No Sacred Cows.
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  • It's only a matter of time with this type of performance they are giving. Teams that quit find their coaches losing jobs.
  • If he benched and traded Mcnabb, there's no doubt he has the balls to bench Vick.
  • Good point. I can't argue against that. He certainly was closer to McNabb than he ever was to Vick.
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  • The Janitor told McNabb he was benched as McNabb put it. If Reid is claiming to be evaluating players and coaches right now then he had better start looking at removing his offensive coordinator or his quarterback. Those two have the most to do with this mediocre start. If Reid fails to make the necessary move here then I hope by the end of the season Lurie does.
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  • McNabb was the one who said it. Of course by that time McNabb was a broken down player with a fragile ego who was always looking for some self pity. He had many people championing to his cause, but still he always had the "poor me" type attitude. Nobody pouts on a sideline better than McNabb.
  • I am SURE the janitor comment was a joke. McNabb was always trying to be funny and this had to be one of those times. I never took that seriously. Regardless of who told him (probably was an assistant coach) it should have came from Reid.
  • Typical McNabb poor joke. If McNabb were here for
    an extended period of time he would only remind us of
    why we wanted him gone in the first place. Spell job sure,
    but to replace Vick? No way! I'd rather see the rookie.
  • That was a bad personality trait. If McNabb had been 100% serious I think he would have fared alot better. His problem wasnt his phyical tools.
  • I always wrote McNabb's problems weren't physical.
    He was the 2nd pick in draft for good reason. In every
    way he was a superior quarterback to Tom Brady except
    in one and that's the mental. McNabb's mental was his
    greatest flaw.
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  • interesting thing i just thought about in my coversation with Klecko. he basically said the lockeroom was full of immature, disrespectful young players. I wonder if part of it comes because Reid essentially has disrespected all the prior leaders before them,. i mean if you look at all drafted leaders they left on bad terms. dawkins, McNabb, Trotter...etc.
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  • I disagree with you. Dawkins left on mutual bad terms. The Eagles were trying to low ball him, and had the nerve to be pissed at him for taking more money and leaving, but they already told him what their maxed number was. In an ultimate insult by the team, they declared (Reid declared) on Brian Dawkins departure day that it was "Stacy Andrews Day" stating they would not answer any questions on Brian Dawkins. Imagine the Eagles attempting to mask the departure of one of the greatest Eagles ever with that broken down stiff. You don't have to imagine it, because it actually happened.
  • You can say that these players left on bad terms because of contract situations and they did but what team doesn't have players leave that way? Trotter came back and seems fine with the orginazation (didn't they give him a third stint with them which was 1 stint too many in my opinion) and Dawkins just retired an Eagle and seems thrilled. Many people thhought the deals offered Trotter and Dawkins elsewhere were very good deals and understood the Eagles reluctance. I know I was starting to think that Dawkins game was slipping (his coverage just wasn't always there the year before he got the deal from Denver) but he proved us wrong and the Eagles not bringing in a decent replacement amplified his leaving. Things like this happen on every team.
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  • Losing his heart was a bigger blow than I expected it to be. I was definitely wrong in thinking Dawkins wouldn't be missed as much as he was.
  • agree - wow!
  • Same. Dawkins was sorely missed as both player and leader. Again still a void in leadership for this team.
  • Step lor not it is true that his presence cannot be measured. Almost like Ray Lewis.
  • But think of how much better it would have been if they dealt with trotter ina more forthright manner.
  • Everything changed with Dawkins in the organization. Personally I think that was the beginning of the end for Banner in Philly. Returns are fine, but that breakup between the Eagles and Dawkins was very messy. The worst part is not that they let him go. It's that they never replaced him. Still to this day.
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  • When it came to McNabb I do think he was offended by the Eagles and he wanted to beat them when he played them. I think it actually hurt Dawkins to have to play against the Eagles.
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  • McNabb was a lip service leader. The only real leaders Reid ever drafter were Tre Thomas and Brian Westbrook. Runyan was signed, Dawkins and Trotter drafted by Rhodes. Vincent brought in by Rhodes. Much of the early success of Reid's teams can be attributed to the defense and many of those guys were Rhodes players.
  • Tra Thomas was drfated in 98...the year before Reid was hired.
  • Oops your right! Another leader goes to Rhodes then.
  • Leaders aren't drafted in most cases, Eazy...players develop into leaders. Reid's fault?...very well could be.
  • I'm not saying you draft them. Just saying it's interesting how Rhodes found them and Reid not as much. Some of it is about the players they chose. I mean people could tell early that Ray Lewis was a leader. Reid found ways to get more leadership out of some guys though.
  • Lip service leader? Playing through injuries, bouncing back sooner than expected, working out with the o-line, not giving into constant scrutiny, being a pro on and off the field, and bringing the best out of guys that wouldn't make another team's roster. Give the guy credit where it's due!
  • Yeah man lip service leader. How many times was he going to tell us he was the "leader"? If McNabb were a leader like Manning there would have been no question about it and that whole thing with T.O. would have been squashed quick.
  • I think Reid should have intervened , gotten TO fair compensation. the whole hugh douglass thing showed a lack of class and discipline. Events like that have a lasting impact on an organization and culture. Thats when the immaturity and klack of dicioline started. Before that it seemed like they were a machine.
  • Not sure what Manning you're referring to but neither would have led their team to a Super Bowl without their #1 receiver. T.O.'s selfish broke-ass will forever have Mcnabb to thank for being the only quarterback to give him an opportunity to play in the Super Bowl.

  • That's because McNabb was the best quarterback T.O. ever played with, but that still doesn't mean McNabb was a great leader. Would have loved to have heard a comment like "our idiot receiver" from McNabb instead of "black on black crime." I mean what was that? Did T.O. shoot him or just shoot his mouth off?
  • Probably the worst comment that came out of McNabb's mouth that we know of.
  • There were plenty, but this one was the worst.
  • defense and a young McNabb
  • Interesting thing is how Lurie pointed the finger at Reid for Castillo. Lurie needs to accept the fact that he is the owner and has ultimate responsibility for his business. Hes a coward. Like I said many moons ago castillo would ultimately be a scapegoat. He was handpicked for the job buy Lurie and Reid. But I dont think Lurie realized the anger of the Philly fan base would be so uncontrollable. Remember I said the fish rots from the head down?
  • I think the point is on two levels. First Lurie is further separating himself for Reid by showing this and many of the last decisions made by Reid are his alone. Reid himself said that it was his decision on Juan to fire him. It could only be assumed it was his to hire him as well. The 2nd part is he's showing that he isn't a meddlesome owner. He's letting the next coach know (if he does have to fire Reid) that they will have full control over football operations. Head coaches are control freaks. The Eagles will be a highly coveted job for two reasons. The first is longevity and the second is to sculpt the team as you see fit. That's why no real coach wants to coach in Dallas. Nobody wants an owner so engaged that he's picking the players you have to coach. It's not different than Juan forced to coach a wide 9 system he probably never wanted.
  • Im not sure the wide nine has ever been highly successful unless used with a standard base 4-3 package.
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  • Cheer up listen these songs!!
  • Sorry this does nothing for me dude.
  • Dan Kleco said on the radio today that the Eagles coaching staff is fed up with Mike Vick and he better shape up. Andy apparently gave Marty a strong talking to about his lack of using McCoy. I don't think that means more carries for Shady, but we will see.
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  • Vick has struggled there is no doubt, and I agree that Vick is no longer elite or great and he hasn't been for a long time now. Kleco seems to think Reid's staying with Vick out of loyalty, but I doubt that. I think he still believes Vick is his best option. Not only that, but this offensive line is brutal! Some of the blame for this offense (most of the blame for this offense) need to be dropped at the feet of this line. There is a huge talent drop from last season and Herremans, Watkins, and Mathis have all regressed. Marty is using McCoy more as a blocker than getting him in space. He's trying the big play way too much with 5-7 step drops. They really are a mess right now. They just don't know how to get out of it. The truth is they have done a poor job evaluating talent via the draft and free agency recently. I know everyone is gushing over this seasons draft. I think it was a good one too, but I'm not ready to call any of those players future hall of fame players and considering Curry doesn't even play despite how much the line is struggling to get to the quarterback, I think their talent evaluating is not as good as it should be.
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  • Looks like Reid has backtracked on his decree of more changes to come and his benching of Vick threats. This guy is waffling more than a politician.

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