THE 12: #3 RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP

Posted March 07, 2013

 

LAST year my first installment of THE 12 was DRAFT FOR DEPTH. (http://www.yardbarker.com/forum/3/57/discussion/the_12_1_draft_for_depth/9939952)

We didn’t and we paid dearly for it. When injuries hit up front, there was no one good to plug in. When Secondary play got sloppy, there was no back-up to threaten the starters. Linebacker is still iffy, and our Tight Ends are one dimensional.

Though we did get Bryce Brown, and Marvin McNutt also showed some promise.

You know, I had to be Jamar Chaney’s biggest cheerleader a few years ago, now I’m the first to say that we only have 2 quality starters (DeMeco Ryans and Mychal Kendricks). We’ve been thin at Center since 2008 when Nick Cole (a G/C) filled in for the injured  Jamaal Jackson. Oh yeah, we’re also thin at Guard. Quick! Name the last quality blocking Tight End for this franchise! Quick! Who are we developing on the Offensive Line as a long-term starter? At any of the three positions, G, T or C. Name the guy we’re developing at LB. QB. WR. TE. FS. SS. CB (as a Starter). Lots of filler on this roster, right?

So you see what I mean.

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THE MEAT:
We have a problem, and it’s how we value depth. Depth is not a luxury item, but for some reason in recent years our F.O. has been treating it like it is. You need depth when the injuries hit. You need depth to provide different looks and sets of problems for an opponent. You need depth to keep leverage at the bargaining table. You need depth to let starters know their job isn’t safe. (It’s one thing to lose your job after the season and a coaching regime change; it’s quite another to be shelved when games count and have your replacement play better than you were playing.)

Depth is why Andy Reid/Joe Banner’s Eagles were good for so long.

 

THE MOVE:

There are a few guys in this draft who would look good in the Eagles cupboard, but there are also a number of high quality veterans who are going to hit the street in the second round of Free Agency. Judging by how many quality guys are being allowed to test the market so far, I’m thinking that the post-Draft, post-OTA’s FA pool will be a bloodbath. There should be plenty of Evan Mathis/Derek Landri level veterans who are looking to be role players,  and not looking to talk about Dream Teams. Guys hoping for one more chance to start and earn a solid contract, with no mention of dynasties. It’s here where the smart money gets spent. A few hungry camp bodies to set the tone, coupled with an up-pace practice…

Let’s us run silent, and let us run deep. 

19 Comments:
  • Lol we still needed starters let alone depth. The first 4 picks of this draft need to be contributors to this team. The first two picks better be future pro bowl players. Hopefully they can offset this draft with some key free agents entering their prime, and who are still hungry to win. If Chip Kelly is as smart as everyone makes him out to be then I think he is going to run the ball a heck of a lot more than Andy Reid did. Reid knew the stats and still chose to ignore them. When McCoy carries the ball at least 20 times the Eagles win football games. He knew he had an irratic, injury prone Vick, an offensive line in shambles, and a rookie quarterback yet he still chucked the ball 30-40 times a game. The Eagles have serious depth at the running back position. Rotating these guys in and out should keep them all fresh, their fumbles down, turnovers down as a whole, better red zone efficency, and wear down opposing defenses. The best medicine for a suspect defense is a ball controlling offense. Now I personally don't wish to see Mike Vick rushing for a 1000 yards or even attempting to, but I wouldn't mind seeing the backs get a healthy dose of carries dispersed between them all.
  • Last year the most talented players WERE on the field, and until more talented guys come in, odds are the most talented players will still play this year.

    Much to many fans chagrin, I think the 2013 edition will feature many of the same starters as the 2012 edition.
  • not when it comes to defensive secondary... at least i hope. I agree the offense will mostly be the same guys with the exception of an offensive linemen signing. but the D is the unit that should have the majority of new faces on it. As for your original idea about depth I completely agree. part of why the team was in shambles last season was because no one could step in for a starting o-linemen when one when down.
  • Yeah I think the Secondary will be at LEAST half new. There's a possibility that it'll be 100% new, but I'm guessing no more than 3 new faces.
  • I could see em having a whole new starting 4 in the secondary. If the draft Milliner and (hopefully) Reid in the second that's two. Then there's plenty of options in FA for another CB and another Safety. That leaves the 3rd and 4th rounds of the draft to deal with depth along the lines, a third LB, or dare I say EJ Manuel?
  • Dare say it...but I doubt he is there in the 3rd. We all have seen teams reach for QBs lately and a prospect with his size, speed, arm strength and success at a big school should have a few teams interested. I'd prefer Manuel in the second and a safety in the 3rd but with the talks of the Eagles looking at a prospect like Scott the Eagles may be looking at a qb later in the draft instead of sooner. If the Eagles do come away with a top safety prospect in the 2nd I will be satisfied and if they did get Reid I would be thrilled even though it may mean no Manuel. With all your "talk" of Milliner will you be upset if the Eagles don't draft him if he is there?
  • Right now it seems that Kelly does feel the most important position on the team is quarterback and that's why he's leaving nothing to chance with the position. He appears to be gambling on quantity and in that quantity he hopes to weed out the bad and find his guy. Some people may not think this is real competition, but I'm sure nobody thought Kurt Warner was a Super Bowl caliber quarterback at one time either.
  • All you have to do is look at the bad play of Vick for the last two years to see why this should be an open competition.
  • Some people are still stuck in the beginning of 2010. The last two seasons and all of Mike Vick's career are just a fluke in their eyes. LOL
  • At least two or three guys in the secondary will be gone. Akeem Jordan is likely to be gone. Cullen Jenkins is already gone. Jason Peters will be back along with all of the lineman who went down. On the contrary you are going to see several new starters on this roster.
  • Well DRC wasn't offered a contract so he's gone and Nnamdi should be gone before tuesday so there's you're two guys from the secondary. I dont see them making cuts to any safeties until after the draft so from where i'm sitting we're gonna have two new starting corners at least.
  • Reports have them in the hunt for Goldson, and I'm almost certain they will draft a kid as well. I don't think they need to cut either of their former starting safeties. Coleman can play special teams and Allen could be a spell guy. Coleman cost them nothing, but Allen could be a litte expensive as a backup. Still he has experience at both safety positions as well as Coleman so they could still have value.
  • I believe Allen is only due around 600,000 this year but his cap figure is twice that. They should have no problem keeping him for that amount. They have nothing to lose keeping both but don't be surprised if they bring in more than one safety in free agency if they sign Goldson. I saw that they were also interested in Rashad Johnson of the Cardinals so we'll see where that goes.
  • There are a lot of rumors going around, but we will see what they will do.
  • first we need to get starters in place. u dont draft for depth when u have so many holes. whos gonna be happy with a back up RB? or RG? or another WR to put behind djax n maclin n avant? if we can get someone who can play along with them or better than yea go get the WR, DaRick Rogers maybe? but we need a NT another DE fot the 3-4 someone to play where kendricks isnt, two maybe 3 corners, both safeties, a LT, RG, possibly more all to be starters n impact players. this week should clear some of that up and possibly add depth. a guy like delanie walker would be huge for us. also heard we r looking at james casey TE/FB from the texans. a guy in the draft like Jesse Williams could play NT/DE/FB in the redzone. just going out n getting a backup to boykins or kendricks isnt exactly what we need when we have so many holes on the team already.
  • Exactly right. This team has too many needs to start worrying about depth especially early in the draft (and middle rounds at some positions). Draft thinking starters and the depth will come.
  • My focus LAST SEASON was on drafting Depth. This year it's on Free Agents. Like I wrote above:
    "Judging by how many quality guys are being allowed to test the market so far, I’m thinking that the post-Draft, post-OTA’s FA pool will be a bloodbath. There should be plenty of Evan Mathis/Derek Landri level veterans who are looking to be role players"

    As for the Draft however:
    3 of our 7 picks will likely be DB's, and I doubt of our 22 starters that there'll be more than 3 rookie starters. The rest of what we draft will all be back-ups. I agree with GTD that you should draft a guy thinking "starter" but seriously, a guy usually falls to rounds 5, 6, 7 for a reason. Gems have been missed before but by and large (Very large) these guys aren't gems. If you can get a good back-up out of a 7th round Safety you've done well. To try to plug him in as a starter, well...
  • The late picks probability that they will be backups goes without saying...they need to hit with starters with most of their early picks this year. No more gems or forced needs from them this year (although I wouldn't be upset if they reached a little for EJ Manuel...I have seen his value anywhere from late 1st to 4th and I do believe they need that QB of the future and I think he will be gone by the 3rd). No more Teo Nesheims, Bryan Smiths and Curtis Marshs in the 3rd round, no more Jarretts in the second because they want that safety that can lower the boom. Best players available at some of the needs they have...they have plenty and the talent in this years draft seems to fit many of those needs...they should be able to do that.
  • Absolutely!

    I however do think they should look FIRST at stocking positions they're thin at. Last year when Kelce went down they went to the street to get a guy. They had to re-sign Dunlap after having cut him earlier.

    Being thin at position automatically makes the back-up a sacred cow (I hated that when I played). On a team with more real depth in camp you get more real competition in camp and better players. It's linear.

    That's my beef with the QB position. The only person on the roster right now (Foles) who could push Vick, may not even fit the system. Let's say Foles wins the job. Who on this roster will unseat Vick for 2nd string? So when Foles gets hurt, who's back out there? See? It's a hamster wheel.

    Get yourself some REAL depth, and you've got yourself some REAL competition, so you get yourself some REAL progress, because some of those guys are REAL hungry.

    I just want them to keep it real.
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