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• cowboyswin08 said March 30, 2009

  I am still hoping that Miles Austin will fill that slot. He is a much better compliment to Roy than Patrick Crayton. I have to admit that he still has a lot to prove on the field but I really liked what he showed last season. I am not concerned about any lack of talent there. That said, I couldn't disagree more with even trying to hire Tory Holt. He is just too old and has shown too much deline over the last two seasons to even take a flyer on him.

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• joephieag said March 30, 2009

  You can get every stud wide receiver in the league and it still wont help because you need a quarterback to throw it to them.

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  • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

    what does that say for your quarterback? If you are who I think you are, yours failed to match Romo's numbers in what was his worst statistical season yet.
• joephieag said March 30, 2009

  Who cant win a playoff game? With T.O, Witten and Roy Williams?

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• joephieag said March 30, 2009

  Any quarterback can put up those numbers with those receivers

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• cowboyswin08 said March 30, 2009

  that is a paper tiger argument and if you don't know it we don't need to discuss it. Besides, Witten was injured for three quarters of the season, Roy didn't know the playbook well enough and was hurt for six of his starts and I would think you would know about T.O.. You don't have to be a fan, but he is a top ten quarterback by any reasonable standards. No question that he is at times reckless with the football but in his two seasons as the starter he has been nothing short of great.

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  • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

    He's just a hater, man. Ignore him. He's going to say the same thing even if Romo had won a playoff game or SB by now. I'm really surprised that he has so much time to worry about the Cowboys when his own stinking team cannot when a Super Bowl. I don't think the Cowboys are too concerned with the receiver issue or they wouldn't have shipped T.O. outta here. Crayton or Austin can fill that slot and we'll have Felix Jones coming out of the backfield. How would any team feel having to deal with Felix in the flat catching a screen pass?
    • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

      I can see that. I thought I remembered him from when I used to be here much more often.
      
      I didn't even think to address the Felix part of the question. The first Washington game and the Greenbay games were proof that Felix didn't even have to touch the ball to make defenses freeze for that one painful second to free up another player. He will also take pressure off of Roy. Besides, I am not convinced that a healthy Roy Williams needs the pressure taken off of him. Crayton was a very solid number two in 2007 and even if Miles can't make the step up we will be ok.
      • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

        I agree. If Felix is full speed like he was in the first few games this next season, teams are going to have a lot more to be scared about than Roy Williams. That dude just has it.
• ItsWhatever said March 30, 2009

  It will sure be interesting seeing the Dallas offense this year

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  • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

    I agree. Anything in peticular that you want to see? They certainly left a lot of questions out there.
  • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

    Granted, Austin and Crayton probably don't put fear into the hearts of DBacks around the league, but it's better than having the media circus that was T.O. here and then him screaming because he thinks he wasn't getting the ball enough. It's going to be very interesting to see how they handle this situation.
  • ItsWhatever replied March 30, 2009

    Well I know you guys have a running game, but I'd like to see Garrett work Felix in much more. And who might grab that #2 receiver spot... Does Crayton really have no shot at retaining the job?
    • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

      There is talk that Felix is going to start over Barber this next season. That remains to be seen, but to have him and Barber on the field at the same time would be the way to go. That would scare the hell out of a lot of defenses there. Yeah, I think that the job is Crayton's to lose, too, but he's going to have Austin breathing down his neck just because of the speed factor.
      • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

        There's talk also about the infusion of players able to work in the Wildcat Offense, and let us not forget Tashard Choice my boy. Felix, Tashard, and Marion to shore up the youngsters looks good for now with the upcoming draft. I for one is optimistic for the coming season. Martellus need's to keep his day job and move some chains and keep Whitten honest with a liberal mix of Miles, and Roy. Tony aught to be alright. I hate to put a daper on this party, but Jerry, need I say more. Jerry's going to find a way to get his Drunk @$$ on the field and mess up the show dad burnitt.
      • BowlBound replied April 01, 2009

        Yeah, Jerry needs to keep his nose out of the operations on the field, but we all know it will not happen. He thinks he can be GM and coach.
      • Robbo24 replied April 01, 2009

        Dad burn that Jerry.
    • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

      Patrick is the most knowledgable of the offense he has that going for him but the young guys including Isaiah Stanback will push old dude to step all the way up. The problem as I see it is Tony growing the f*ck up. You guys play rough in the East and he doesn't have time to play around. Getting kneed in the back by the Giants, and losing 44-6 to the Eagles will be tolerated for so long. I'm going on record by saying if he doesn't correct his lack of focus he's going to lose the team and the fans.
• cowboyswin08 said March 30, 2009

  I think that the job is Crayton's job to lose right now. He doesn't have the speed that Austin brings but he is an excellent route runner and has reliable hands. As for Garrett working in Felix, well, you and every Cowboys fan across the nation. He was really impressive for his six outings. Like I mentioned earlier, even in that first Washington game he made a difference. He was brought in, ran a wheel route and took a db and a linebacker out of coverage giving Romo a clear shot to Crayton (I think it was Crayton) down the left sideline for a touchdown. It is such a blessing to have a homerun threat from anywhere on the field. I have to admit, though, Garrett really messed up with him. His blitz coverages were solid from what I could see on TV, (for what that is worth), and defenses really took note of his presence. He really needed to get him ten to fifteen touches on offense every game, more if the defense wasn't stopping him.

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  • DeWare replied March 31, 2009

    I can see it being an open battle going into training camp between Crayton, Austin, and even Hurd. I'm hoping that Austin will seize the opportunity. We know after a few seasons know what Crayton can do. (besides open his trap too much) I think he's best suited as a slot guy, #3 WR. Austin can be more of a downfield threat with big play potential. (think Alvin Harper??) Don't forget about Hurd either. The coaches have always been high on his potential and he seems to put in a great bit of effort to improve.
• joephieag said March 30, 2009

  Lol...the cowboys arent too concerned about their receiving core or they wouldnt of let t.o go? The only reason why they let him go was because romo and witten cried to jones that they wanted him gone or they would of kept him. They need him. There is plenty of question marks about your receivers! I have too much time on my hands to be worrying about the cowboys? Whos the one thats always on the Eagles threads?

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  • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

    And, why did your team let him go? Was it because your egotistical QB couldn't get along with him? Or was it something else? Remind me.
  • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

    who is your source on this information? With this kind of inside information you could really make a living in the media. Adam Schecter look out, your job is in danger!
    • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

      He can't hold Adam Shechter's jock strap. His sources come from Saturday morning cartoon shows, more than likely.
    • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

      He can't hold Saturday Morning Cartoon's jock strap either, he gets his information from Ed Werder, Skip Bayless, and Micheal Wilbon's Chicago worshipping self.
• HarryPotter said March 30, 2009

  with t.o. gone they have nobody

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• ItsWhatever said March 30, 2009

  Well, I definitely hate Dallas as much as the next guy. But I hope they don't go into a downward spiral. Total shutouts will get boring after a while. lol.

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  • HarryPotter replied March 30, 2009

    are you kidding me whatever, how can you not miss quincy carter, chad hutchinson, ryan leaf, drew henson
    • ItsWhatever replied March 30, 2009

      Well, true. But I still think it's fun when they put up a fight. You know like an antelope backed into a corner, penned in by a lion...
      • HarryPotter replied March 30, 2009

        i prefer a team similar to being a lion(0-16 lion that is)
    • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

      And, how can you miss out on 5 SB opportunities with one QB??
      • ItsWhatever replied March 31, 2009

        Our defense folds when it's all on the line.
• meatgoat said March 30, 2009

  Cowboys fans should be worried whether Roy Williams will shake off whatever funk he fell into last year.Dude sucked.

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  • HarryPotter replied March 30, 2009

    if you look at his numbers, he was really a youtube highlight confused for a good receiver, hes never had more than 8 tds, only had over 1000 yds once, was only over 65 catches once, and has been getting progressively worse as his career has gone on, not a guy woerth a first, third and fifth
    • BowlBound replied March 30, 2009

      And, who exactly has Williams had to work with as a QB?
      • ItsWhatever replied March 31, 2009

        Who did Calvin Johnson have? The guy who walked out the back of his own endzone. And Calvins stats were way better then Roy's ever were... with Jon Kitna.
      • BowlBound replied March 31, 2009

        Could it be because Roy was double-teamed a lot?
      • ItsWhatever replied March 31, 2009

        no just last year after Roy left.
  • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

    Should be OK with off season workouts with Tony getting acclimated to the offense. No one does well coming in mid-stride the way he did. All I'm saying is Roy should be better.
    • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

      He HAS to be or he'll be looking for a new job.
      • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

        Yep....
    • HarryPotter replied March 30, 2009

      the lions ripped you guys off
      • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

        It was easy,too. They just put out a lot of press with Williams saying how he likes the Lions but the future is Calvin Johnson and his role as mentor had been fulfilled and now it's time to move on blahblahblahblahim a four year mentor blahblahblah
      • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

        Jerry, all I can say.... Just Jerry.....
• meatgoat said March 30, 2009

  Roy Williams 15 games(10 w/dallas) 36 rec 198 yds 2 TDs ......this is your #1 ?!?! Maybe you guys should start talking about trading for Reggie Brown.

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  • HarryPotter replied March 30, 2009

    hank baskett had better numbers
  • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

    Make that 430 yds...the first site only had his yardage with Detroit.I couldn't believe how crappy the numbers were so I double checked.All the others are correct. 2 f-ing touchdowns. And to think I had this a**hole on my fantasy roster. Yuck!
  • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

    Thanks but no thanks we already went down that road.
  • BowlBound replied March 31, 2009

    5 games with a backup QB at Detroit and then thrown into an offense he had not idea about. Let's see what he does this year and then you can spout off numbers.
• meatgoat said March 30, 2009

  Check it out! Dallas got 12 rec 143 yds and .66 TDs per draft pick. (I was nice and included the Detroit stats so the numbers are actually lower) That's some value!!

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  • HarryPotter replied March 30, 2009

    if the DETROIT LIONS rip you off, you know that your team is going downhill, jerry jones=worst owner in sports
    • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

      No one knew or cared who Miles Austin was until AFTER Roy Williams showed up.Even Brad Johnson didn't want to throw to this guy!
      • Canuck replied March 30, 2009

        Meat, your kidding right? Miles Austin made a name for himself in the playoffs against Seattle. He has blazing speed and is huge. He had a couple of injuries last year but he will be a great #3 receiver this year. The key to the offence will be Felix Jones! With him in the lineup he keeps defences honest. When he went down last year it really hurt us.
      • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

        Seriously,I didn't care about Miles Austin. And this is America,Canuck. 'Round here we don't care for using the letter c where an s belongs , thank you very much.
      • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

        miles austin 3yrs 18catches 354yds 3tds - - - - - a very illustrious career.
      • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

        Miles Austin was the fourth or fifth options until last season where he was hurt and then bumped down to the fourth spot by Roy E.
      • BowlBound replied March 31, 2009

        Wrong.......he was already starting to show promise before Roy showed up. Do your research. Brad Johnson couldn't throw to anyoone, much less Austin.
    • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

      Don't be trying to steal my lines HarryPotter or we going to have to fight, I wanted to say that.
    • BowlBound replied April 01, 2009

      Yeah, that's why the Cowboys have the most valuable sports franchise in the world and probably lead the NFL in merchandise sales.
• HarryPotter said March 30, 2009

  canuck is such a cockroach

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  • Robbo24 replied March 30, 2009

    And you are a Jackazz. I know Mr. Canuck you want to slap the potty out of HarryPotter but he just like wallowing in the gutter. We still love him though despite the brain craps.
• cowboyswin08 said March 30, 2009

  Roy Williams stats per game played are number one receiver numbers. HE has just missed games in all but one of his seasons. Last year he had to learn a new offense and for six of his nine starts in Dallas he was dealing with a lis franc injury. We traded a first and third for him. We also gave up a seventh but we got a seventh in return and that moved us up in the seventh round. We paid a first and a third. If he has another season like last year I will agree that we got robbed but anyone who thought he would show up and preform day one doesn't understand the NFL. As far as MIles Austin goes, anyone who follows the Cowboys knew and cared who he was even before the 2006 Seattle game. He has mad potential and appeared to be on his way to the number two slot when he was injured.

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  • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

    I disagree.I thought Roy Williams was overrated back when Eagles fans wanted to trade for him last summer. I don't think his stats indicate anything more than an OK option for a #2. Carrer averages by game : 4rec 58yds .5 TD. That's to say he scores a TD every other game or 30tds in 70gms. Those are pretty pedestrian numbers.You guys are gambling most of that low production comes from playing with the Lions but then I guess Calvin Johnson doesn't have that problem.As for Miles, he was virtually non-existant his first two years.To be fair the guy is obviously gonna be a nice WR this year but it's a stretch to say that was clear all along.If so, why sign T.O.? Why trade for Williams?
    • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

      Well, the Dallas scouting crew has raved about his potential since he was acquired. He was non-existant because he was the fifth option in Bill Parcells scheme and under Garrett he was fourth. ( I am counting Witten as a receiver above him). He or Crayton will be solid at the number two slot, in my opinion. YOu are absolutely correct that we are gambling that some of his numbers will improve with other concerns for opposing defenses. That is part of the risk and I for one agree with taking it. I think the decision to sign T.O. had no connection to Austin whatsoever. Austin was always talked about as number two to someone else. We signed T.O. for the same reason the Eagles did. He was a phenom and we gambled that his attitude would be better in Dallas... and it was for two years. Frankly, I believe that winning another game or two last season would have taken care of it then too. However, we didn't and we paid the price. Trading for Williams was done because J.J. wanted to be sure that he had a superstar for years to come.
• cowboyswin08 said March 30, 2009

  Oh!! I forgot he was also forced to deal with Brad Johnson for three games. He should get to remove them from his resume. Johnson was to our receivers what Arizona is to runningbacks.

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  • BowlBound replied March 31, 2009

    Actually, I think the Arizona Dbacks caught more passes than the Eagles receivers in that one game , didn't they? And, that was with Mr. All World QB, Donovan McNabb at the helm.
• cowboyswin08 said March 30, 2009

  By the way, Calvin Johnson is a freak. He is going to be incredible. If Detroit can improve he could be every bit as effective as a young Randy Moss. Maybe even chasing Jerry Rice someday.

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  • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

    On that, I'm with ya 100%.
    • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

      I knew we'd get there sooner or later.
  • HarryPotter replied March 30, 2009

    only if there is somebody in this universe to throw to him, he was effective last year, imagine if they could get an actual quarterback
    • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

      He could still wind up with Jay Cutler, right? Seriously, though, I really hope they do find a real stud. I can't remember this kind of potential in my lifetime. He has Moss's speed and height with the body of T.O.. I am excited to see this guy get his due.
      • meatgoat replied March 30, 2009

        They could've had Jay Cutler!! Check it out below..
      • BowlBound replied April 01, 2009

        Wouldn't be surprised to see Cutler end up in Philly. They have the draft picks and cap room to do a swap, Cutler for McNabb and maybe a draft pick or two.
• meatgoat said March 30, 2009

  Here's a shortlist of QBs the Lions were in a position to draft in the time between drafting Roy Williams and before finally,after four years,drafting QB Drew Stanton last year : Brady Quinn,Aaron Rodgers,Jason Campbell,Matt Leinart,Jay Cutler,Tavaris Jackson,Brodie Croyle. Some are better than others but all were at least regarded as starters for awhile by better teams than Detroit. WTF goes on in the Lions front office?!?

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  • cowboyswin08 replied March 30, 2009

    Matt Millan was a heck of a ball player but just an all time worst GM. Still, you'd think even with a blind guess he could've done better.
• greenisback said April 01, 2009

  THE DALLAS COWARDS FLATOUT STINK. THEY NEED TO GET RID OF THAT GOD AWFUL QUARTERBACK THEY HAVE, TONYA ROMO. WILL NEVER WIN A PLAYOFF GAME WITH HER UNDER CENTER! I WAS AT THE 44-6 WHOOPIN WE PUT ON THEM. THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL! SEE.... TONYA ROMO CANT WIN WHEN SHE HAS TOO. ONLY 2 PLAYERS WORTH HAVING IS FELIX JONES AND/OR MARION BARBER

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  • Robbo24 replied April 01, 2009

    You're way off base thre fella cool down and take CAPS off you ain't saying nothing. You can talk about the Eagles losing to the Cardinals first before you criticize the Cowboys. That sorry @$$ defense make you and the Eagles look weak now you running your comments about one game. Only thing stink around here is the Eagles defense.
  • BowlBound replied April 01, 2009

    Those beatings go both ways. Did you forget the one in Philly? 38-17? I bet you did. Romo carved your defense up like a XMAS Turkey. No room to talk where you are concerned.
• jasondcowboys said April 01, 2009

  i honestly would prefer miles to be our number 2 unless we can pick up a veteran like harrison or maybe even holt for just one season...i just think that even with crayton knowing more than most he still aint productive enough and def aint reliable enough to put there...i mean damn felix is better out the backfield than crayton is in the slot lol so thats saying something right there...either way i think it shoud be 1.williams 2.austin 3.crayton 4.stanback and utilize felix as much as possible and always for sure just throw it to witten when in doubt cuz we all know he is the best TE in the league period and he gets the job done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • cowboyswin08 replied April 01, 2009

    I would prefer to see Austin get it also, but he is still all potential. He has yet to prove it for an entire season. Besides that, Crayton gets a bit of a bad rap. He was the number two receiver in that great 2007 offense. He was also the numver two guy for the first few games last season and the offense was doing very well with him there. The first real drop off in the offense, to me, began w hen we first acquired Roy Williams. Then you add Romo getting injured and the mess that was Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger and I think the job is Crayton's to lose. I hope that Austin steps up and steals it, but I am not worried if he stays at number three.
    • BowlBound replied April 01, 2009

      Crayton was real close to T.O. We'll see if he picked up some of T.O.'s bad habits because Crayton likes to jack his jaws a lot.
• demetairsbell said April 01, 2009

  I don't know what Dallas' brain trust was thinking when they brought Roy Williams into the fold. Crayton hasn't progressed as expected but the Cowboys have the receiver they need in Miles Austin. Despite pressure from outside influences, they should have kept T.O. and have Austin as their number 2 receiver. I hate to sound callous, but Roy Williams is not a go to receiver. They'll find that out soon enough.

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  • BowlBound replied April 01, 2009

    Nobody will know until the season starts rolling. Some receivers thrive in other environments. Philly gave up on Chris Carter years ago and the guy is going to the HOF.
• greenisback said April 02, 2009

  Mcnabb got benched then look what happened after that. He played some of his best football. Fake kneel down was great. Your QB shoulda been benched. He is terrible. If i was jerry jones id be doin whatever i could to get cutler or get that first pick from the lions and draft stafford.

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  • cowboyswin08 replied April 02, 2009

    By whose definition? Statisticly you can't even begin to defend that statement. (that Romo sucks) I can't argue that he is reckless at times but his numbers destroy McNabb's. Which game of Romo's should have earned him a benching anyway? You don't have to be a fan of his but that doesn't give you carte blanche to make ridiculous statements. I can't stand Mcnabb but I wouldn't say he sucks and I can make a much better argument for that than you could for Romo. The only statistical advantage that Mcnabb has over Romo is fewer interceptions. Yards, wins, TD's, yards per attempt and per completion, ond the biggest one of all quarterback rating are all in Romo's favor.
    
    Now I will give you the vbenefit of the doubt on that last statement and take this time to let you know that even if you were the owner of the Cowboys you could not do what you said you would do. The Salary cap won't allow it, amongst other problems.
    • ItsWhatever replied April 02, 2009

      My little brother could have posted "romo" stats, especially if he had a great running game/O-line his whole career, and T.O, Roy Williams, Jason Witten. Comparing Romo to McNabb at this point is just not doable. Let's wait and see what Romo does this year, ( who still has better receivers then McNabb's ever had), and see if he can actually lead his his team come December and into the playoffs.
      • cowboyswin08 replied April 02, 2009

        that is a ridiculous response. First of all we do not have either a great running game or o line. Both are good but neither is great. Roy didn't know the playbook and was hurt for 6 of his eight starts so he wasn't worth what his name implies, no t to mention that he was only here for 3/4 of one season out of his two and a half. As for comparing stats, I didn't. I showed you that all of the stats went in Romo's favor. That is different but even if I was comparing stats these two have as close to identical schedules as you can get in this league and are both in pass heavy offenses. It would be a very fair way to look at these two. No question that Romo still has to prove some things in this league but by any reasonable definition he does not suck.
      • BowlBound replied April 02, 2009

        That weapons response is getting old. He was in the freakin' NFC Championship game 5 times and lost four of them. How did they get there if the Eagles had no weapons? Now, I will admit that their defense was a big part of McNabb's success or he wouldn't have as many wins as he does. But, their offense was still good enough to get them in all of those title games and what did he do when they got there? He won one, but look at his stats in the other four.
• cowboyswin08 said April 02, 2009

  The weapons response is not just old. It is also a complete farce. It was from the first time it was uttered. I mean is Peyton a paper tiger then? Why couldn't Matt Leinart succeed in Arizona? Why didn't either Brad Johnson or Brooks Bollinger succeed? Why did the Bengals offense disappear when Carson Palmer went down in that 06 playoff game against the steelers? How is it possible that the Packers couldn't score without Favre?

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  • Robbo24 replied April 02, 2009

    Old and boring not on topic even.
    • cowboyswin08 replied April 03, 2009

      Anything to explain away their hero's mediocrity
• sirkk111 said April 03, 2009

  first off to even bring up t. o as a sort of argument for dallas football shortcomings is WACK!!! he is and always has been a phenominal athlete the fact that he had a reckless and inexperienced sophmore qb throwing wackass passes had more to do with it....look at the numbers yes he dropped some passes but if you stop and think about injuries did he ever wine or did he always want to wage war even in the playoffs with the eagles

  

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• OldTimeHockey said April 03, 2009

  if williams can be the WR that jones wants him to be. things could happen. but the cowboys do need another wr.

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