Originally posted on Justice is Coming  |  Last updated 12/21/11

SAN DIEGO - AUGUST 15: Head coach Norv Turner of the San Diego Chargers looks on during the game with the Seattle Seahawks on August 15, 2009 at Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego, California. The Seahawks won 20-17. (Photo by Stephen Dunn/Getty Images)

I'm sure you read this.

Ross- I tried sending this to you last night. It wouldn't go thru. I took that as a sign that even the universe was rejecting that article as an idea. Bottom line- good teams don't lose winnable games. Norv Turner loses winnable games. How much of Norv turner's tenure has been spent playing "catch up football?" If the team is as talented as everyone says they are, then the fault goes to the coach.

Eric

You know I think their "talent" is mentioned because they haven't
won with it.  AJ deserves to go too. If Dean Spanos can't make a "tough" business decision, he should sell the team  or get someone else to make it.  Norv is a career coordinator like Phillips, LeBeau or Capers.  There is no shame in it.  However, he is not effective as a head guy.  Some people think he gets blame for things he shouldn't.  OK, but when do you hold the coach accountable for the team's results, especially when they lose BIG games due to their own mistakes.  I think Marty was a choker as well.  People think you can only be pro Marty or pro Norv.  That's on the Spanoses for hiring 2 guys no one else wanted as their HC.  This is not Communist Russia where you only have 2 choices

Ross

you should be a columnist for the union tribune representing "the fan" you would be able to say things the reporters for the team can't or won't.

Eric

I have three words for Acee:

**** YOU ACEE.  If mediocrity is good enough for the Chargers, then Spanos should keep Turner and Smith on.
Daniel

They make the playoffs, he's back. Put that in ink, laminate it and send it to your mama.
Kevin Acee

I told Acee he was going to get crushed as a Norv apologist when he wrote that piece, and for the record, he told us weeks ago on the air that he thought team should make a change with Norv...the way things were going. He does like Norv, he thinks Norv is the right guy, but felt sometimes you need to make a change just for the sake of making a change.

There's just been a weird shift around that place, and I'm nearly positive Norv will return. A couple weeks ago, players in that locker room were speculating on who the next HC would be....even the ones that liked Norv. Now, most of em think he'll be back.

As far as good teams not losing winnable games, Eric, you're totally right, but they stunk early on. Acee gave Norv a lot of credit in this article for what he's done with all the injuries, but the one think he didn't bring up again is how Norv's time clock mgmt is the main reason Dean has had second thoughts- such as what happened in the Jets and Denver game.

Something to think about- if the Chargers hadn't waited so long to hire Marty S, their first replacement was Wade Phillips...who of course was gone by that time.

But Ross- I honestly can't compare the 07 team to what they have now. I know that a LOT of guys on that team did not buy into Norv whatsoever in his first year- same goes for the next. But believe it or not, guys on this team feel passionate about him ( I know it sounds nuts) and I think Norv has really grown into his role. You may not see the passion that people want to see from the Cowher types, but he rips into guys as good as anybody- it's just not visible to most of us.

He has absolutely made some mistakes- but this year, I don't know that it's the play-calling that has cost this team. Against the Jets? Yes. But what he's been able to do with a makeshift OLine has been nothing short of incredible.


I know- I sound like Acee. But i think the failure on this team is more about personnel than it is about Norv. A shame it took Ryan until the end of the year to look like a #1 pick...but boy, crazy that he's the only 1st round draft pick they're getting anything else from.

Marty Caswell

 

From the U-T, Thread Killer.

If we can exploit a defense with the deep ball and get up by 3 scores, then everything is hunky dory with this team. That’s basically what has happened the last 3 games. The other team has to abandon the run, our confidence builds and we get on a roll that is difficult to stop.

But if the deep ball ISN’T there and the game stays close, the other team can exploit our lack of physicality by running the ball, our problems scoring TD’s in the red zone resurface…

….and Norvitis inevitably kicks in, we make mistakes at critical times, the opposition shows more poise and composure than we do in crunch time, and we lose the game.

THAT is why I am done with Norval. Because this formula for winning is impossible to sustain, especially in the playoffs. The criticisms from other teams are totally true; this a great front-running team, but if the game is close we find a way to choke. Punch us in the mouth and we don’t punch back.

Even HACKsaw called Norv a career coordinator in this piece. 

On NBC San Diego, "But fans don't hate Turner and Smith. With drying patience, they hate what has become associated with them, and that is zero Super Bowl rings in San Diego."

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