Posted June 19, 2013

PATRIOTS TE Aaron Hernandez is being sued civilly over SHOOTING A MAN IN THE HEAD in Florida back in January and causing the man to lose his right eye as a result.

How is a gunshot to the head NOT an attempted murder charge?!?! Now understand, this isn't me saying Hernandez did it. I frankly don't know. I've not heard word one about a witness; he wasn't arrested at the scene; there is no photographic evidence; and the gunshot victim (that much is NOT in dispute) gave police a different story initially. So unless something new turns up, I'm on NO SIDE of this issue.

At this point there is nothing to link him to that shooting. However if something turns up he shouldn't be disciplined by Bill Belichik, the Patriots, or the NFL. His prison sentence (for attempted murder, not assault or manslaughter (See: Donte Stallworth)) should cover the remainder of his career. But that is my question. HOW is this only a civil matter if it has any teeth at all?

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  • That seems rather odd to me as well. Seriously the players in the NFL are really getting kind of scary. That Titus Young kid is like 10 eggs short of a dozen. That guy from KC who killed his girl, and then went and killed himself in front of his coach. Remember the Ray Carruth case from years ago? I mean now days its best not to ask even for an autograph. You could get shot for it.
  • See THIS is what I'm talking about. Remember the Bengal WR Chris Henry? The problem started small, but people ignored it, made excuses for it... If you did what Shady did you'd be in a jail cell right now. But it gets overlooked because he's a star, and the TEAM shrugs at the bad press. Next thing you know some idiot is firing a gun next to somebody's ear.

    It is related.
  • This is why the league needs to do a much better job of first educating their players and policing them. Think about how Goodell has cracked down on the players in his league, yet still players are still acting like monsters right now. Dez Bryant and his repeated fiascoes. How old is Chad Johnson and yet he ends up in jail!?! I mean how stupid is that? Then he actually thinks a team will give him another chance? There is something wrong with these players.
  • Certain violations should earn you a ban. Anything that leads to prison time should most definitely.

    If the NFL made it a policy that a criminal conviction would turn your future into a past tense; or that the same thing could happen over a criminal act even without a conviction. Like this one:

    2002 - (Randy) Moss was arrested after an incident in downtown Minneapolis in which he bumped a traffic control officer with his car, knocking her to the ground. He was ordered to pay a $1,200 fine and perform 40 hours of community service. Marijuana was allegedly found in his vehicle as well, but charges were later dropped.http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/a/mossantics.htm

    If this were me or you, we'll STILL be in prison. Thing is, it's hard to hold the player alone responsible, when an entire society conspires to let them off the hook EVERY TIME! Why should they exercise discipline if no one expects it?

    That's why I think somebody has to send a message by DOING something, not just SAYING something.
  • Then it sounds like both a societal issue and a league issue. Why is congress holding
    hearings on steroids abuse in MLB players while NFL players are murdering civilians and
    Disrespecting authority? I agree with a ban, but the union would never agree to it. The
    Commissioner would be smart to get public opinion on his side first. Help society see this is an epidemic. The problem is the league makes too much money off these players, and couldn't
    Deal with one of their elite players receiving a lifetime ban. If there were a player who deserved
    a lifetime ban it would have been Vick. He went to jail, committed a violent act, lied to the league,
    and tried to carry a suspicios water bottle onto an airplane after September 11. Wow!
  • Donte Stallworth is my idea of a posterchild. He killed the breadwinner of a family because he was drunk behind the wheel.

    As far as the NFLPA agreeing to it, they don't have to. Just like NFL teams have decided that they're done with T.O. and Chad Johnson, teams can also decide to be done with other players. For all their bluster the NFLPA doesn't sign anybody to a contract or add anyone to a roster.

    Once the players are out of the NFL the social aspect of it evaporates.
  • Its amazing the influence the NFL can have on the criminal justice system. I saw first hand with Ray Lewis how the tentacles of the NFL justice system can influence the American justice system. Cant a criminal just be a criminal?
  • Just to reiterate. I'm not saying anyone should in the NFL should take ANY action against Hernandez. At THIS point there is NO PROOF that he did anything wrong. No one should have their career or reputation ruined over an accusation that at this point could turn out to be false.

    My point is that if he has done what he's accused of, it should be a criminal matter, not merely a civil or league issue.
  • I think we all agree there, although the fact he's muddled in this mess at all doesn't look good for the league.
  • Aaron Hernandez has been taken out of his home in cuffs.

    I sense the league will be sending a memo to teams telling them to put the screws to discipline problem players both harder and earlier.

    The photo shows 3 officers taking him out in a tee shirt.
    That's not a " let's go for questioning"/"person of interest"/"turn yourself in" situation, that's a "if we tell him we found this new evidence, we have a possible flight risk" situation.
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  • I watched the arraignment. He gone jail. Mmm-hmm.
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  • I watched the arraignment. Unless someone pops up and confesses out of the blue, his goose is cooked.
  • It was pretty obvious he did something, most probably murder at this point. Who the hell shuts down their homes elaborate security system, hires a small army to clean his house from top to bottom and has his lawyer hand his cellphone over to authorities in pieces...IF he isn't hiding something. He fails to realize that even if the phone is destroyed...every call, e mail and text message has been captured in the cell phone companies records. This jerk is screwed. Guess his smug arrogant attitude will change real quick once he's in the prison system. Bye Bye Assshole. Guess Tebow will just have to play TE across from The Gronkster.
  • What a pity this guy couldn't leave the street life where it belonged. The NFL is failing their players.
  • I agree. I think the BEST thing the NFL could do is make an example of someone BEFORE the problem gets out of hand.

    This culture of burying these things, and chalking it up to "boys will be boys" has GOT to stop.
  • The problem lies in the beginning. They need a better program of both screening and teaching their players. Help them to see that their activities prior to and while they are in the league reflect upon the league. Players are getting in trouble in school doing all kinds of nefarious acts, and the NFL rewards them by giving them millions.
  • Admit it, this is nice.

    We've disagreed PLENTY today, but looking up and down the page, all you see is discussion after discussion based on football.

    This is how it SHOULD be.
    How it COULD be.
    How it WILL be.
  • I agree and disagree...because these guys are grown men who should be responsible for their own actions. They should act like men, professional athletes not thugs. The NFL can't possibly know what's going on inside their heads. This guy is a perfect example of a thug who thought he could get away with that crap once he was in the publics eye. I mean he practically handed the cops a hand written invitation to arrest his stupid asss. I also heard he may still be owed over 2 mil because of a certain clause in his contract. This needs to be stopped somehow. The judge should award that money to the family of the man he shot in the face and the parents of the guy he is alleged to have murdered. Phuck this guy, toss him in jail and throw away the key.
  • My bad I flagged by an accident. I agree these are grown men and need to be held accountable for their actions. What I am trying to say is the NFL needs to weed these guys out before they are allowed to come. If they have infractions in college don't allow them into the league. In most cases guys who were in a lot of trouble in college became problems in the league. I know the league won't do it, because there is too much money to be made off these guys.
  • Hey GR, what do you think of the more civil and football centered tone on my posts?
  • I never had a problem with you Flip. There was really only one Barker on here that I had a real problem with. Recently there was another but I'm not gonna name anybody. They know who they are, be cool brother.

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