The Eagles and QB Geno S-Myth

Posted April 11, 2013

With all the mock drafts latest updates (1.0, 2.0 .. etc) once again, draft "experts" can't help themselves and continue to link QB Geno Smith with the Eagles. Given that there isn't any obvious player as the top pick (like last season with Luck, RGIII etc) it's almost anybody's guess as to who will be there when the Eagles select. While quarterback is a perceived "need" by experts and some fans alike, the Eagles have positioned themselves with free agency to select the best player available.

This year's quarterback class is highlighted by the likes of Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, E.J. Manuel etc But NONE of them are worthy of the #4 overall pick. Smith is a borderline #15-20 pick at best, and even though quarterback is the most important player on any NFL team, the Eagles don't have to "reach" for one in the 1st round (which would be a disastrous mistake IMO). There are other areas on the team that could use an upgrade, with the most glaring being the "5 technique" (3-4 Defensive End).

While the Eagles already have one on the team (Fletcher Cox), and true NT in Isaac Sopoaga, there really isn't much in terms of depth at either position. Antonio Dixon could make a decent NT if given the opportunity and Cedric Thorton could blossom into a good 3-4 DE. But the best option would be to draft a player who already fits the bill. Will this be the 4th overall pick? Perhaps. But the Eagles could also use a solid player on the OL as well. So the question looms, where is the depth in the draft?

Will the Eagles get more value by selecting a OL in the 1st or DE? With players like OL Luke Joeckel, OL Eric Fisher, DT Shariff Floyd and DT/DE Star Lotulelei as possible targets, one of them will surely be there at pick #4. I think the true question falls in how the Eagles feel about their offensive line. Injuries riddled the Eagles OL last season, and there are question marks surrounding each player (Peters, Herremans, Kelce etc). But what if all of them are healthy? Age and escalating contracts could also be a factor in this decision as well as Kelly's thoughts on the young players already on the team (Watkins, Reynolds, Vandervelde and so forth). There are also a few "wildcard" players in this year's draft whom the Eagles might have similar value in regards to the offensive line (OT Lane Johnson, OG Chance Warmack, OG Johnathan Cooper). Could the Eagles trade back a few slots and be happy with additional picks and  a player like OG Cooper instead of one of the top OT's (if Joekel or Fisher are available). While most people think that Kelly's offense is going to be a high tempo/read option offense, the thing most overlooked is that the Eagles will more than likely be a RUNNING team while utilizing mismatches/screens/quick snaps to our advantage.

Chance Warmark is probably the best run blocking offensive lineman in the draft and would be an excellent addition. But both OT Lane Johnson and OG Cooper could be a better choice if Kelly is looking for "athletic" offensive lineman who can also dominate. While I think that picking any of these players might be a little "high" at #4. I do think they would be great fits and we could obtain additional draft picks if we decide to move back a few slots.

There Eagles could also use another "starting" OLB and CB so LB/DE Dion Jordan or CB Dee Milliner could be the pick. Also more of a puzzle could be what the Eagles do with their 2nd round pick. What if E.J. Manuel is on the board? What if another player slides and has too much value to pass up? (say one of the top TE's or WR's). How about the biggest wildcard of them all? The Jaguars. They could go in literally ANY direction and could snag Jordan or Fisher/Joeckel if available. There are obviously many options and many more unexpected turns in the next couple of weeks. But one thing I'm almost 100% certain, is the Eagles selecting Geno Smith with the #4 overall pick is purely MYTH. Stay tuned!

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  • Everything you have written only confirms my belief the Eagles are thinking about trading down if they find a willing partner. I will state that sometimes teams get it wring when if comes to quarterbacks. Consider the Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith draft. Nobody thought Rodgers was worth the high pick, but in hindsight he turned out to be the better player. Then you have guys like Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf who were supposed to be can't miss guys and they ended up terrible. The point is sometimes everyone can be wrong about a guy.
  • If the first two pick in the draft are OT Luke and Fisher (since everyone and their mother is assuming the Raiders will select Shariff Floyd at #3) it will be extremely interesting to see what the Eagles do. Versatility has topped this off seasons list, and no other player is more versatile than OLB Dion Jordan (outside of safety Kenny Vaccaro). Conner Barwin is the only real true 3-4 OLB on the team, and Chung/Philips are low risk/high reward players. So that could become very interesting indeed.
  • seems like it wont be milliner as they told him they dont want to work him out. could be a smooke screen but i doubt it.
  • Like you said here (and I think it keeps being largely ignored), the Eagles are said to be a run first team. If there is any truth to that the guy who makes the most sense is Chance Warmack.

    He is the best run-blocking Guard in the Draft; his college coach is the O-line coach for this team; and there is more depth at Tackle than there is at Guard in this Draft. 1-2-3.

    (Not to mention I LOVE LOVE LOVE his hand placement! His hands are ALREADY NFL caliber! Coupled with his natural weight distribution? Awwww man!!! What's not to love?!?!)

    They should worry less about whether a guy is worth X# pick and more about A) Do we need him? and B) Will he be there in next round if we don't grab him? Trading down works fine if you can trust the guys you trade with not to burn you and take your guy. If you can't be sure of that, keep your pick and get your man.

    Fans won't want to hear that the biggest pick in the draft got busted because someone betrayed the Eagles trust, but hey we got and extra 4th rounder out of the deal. Fans will not cut Roseman/Kelly slack over that. Especially if the trade is with a division rival.
  • i think chip plays is conservative and comes away with a top 5 name. Top 5 picks:

    1. Luke Joekel- solid top 5
    2. Eric Fisher- no worse than luke
    3. Sharrif Floyd- Top DT
    4. Star Lotulelei-no worse than Sharrif
    5. Dee Millner- injured?
    6. Dion Jordan- Chips guy?

    If I pick today I think Eagles go with DT. It all starts up front. Jenks/Patterson departure left a a real need.
  • With the Eagles going to a 3-4 front they're unikely to add a DT any earlier than round 7, if at all. They have Sopoaga, and Dixon at NT, and will look to (I guess) flex Cox and Thornton as 3-4 DE's and 4-3 DT's depending on the front or sub-package or rotation. (NOTE: This is my idea of THE BEST way to compensate for the lack of legit 3-4 DE's, but I still think it's a pretty dumb idea. Better to just get what you REALLY need.)

    Latinferno is right saying that they SHOULD at some point add a legit 3-4 DE, but it would be a shock to see them make it a priority this year.
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  • I'm surprised that Edwards isn't already gone and I wouldn't be shocked to see Foles get dealt in a draft day trade depending on how QBs fall and obviously what gets offered (don't think it will happen but wouldn't be shocked). If the Eagles draft a QB that gives them Vick and 3 handpicked Kelly guys. If they draft a QB on day one or day two I would guess that he will be looked on as the future...any round after that will pretty much be just another hopeful.
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  • Spots you speak total truth when it comes to this issue. Like smaller class size, fewer QB's will allow Kelly to focus on teaching the nuances of his offense.

    As any parent knows, teachers (public and private) say class size matters. The less time Kelly has to spend on his QB group, the more time he has for the rest of the Offense.
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  • Spots I disagree. I don't think they should weed anything down until training camp regarding the quarterbacks. In fact I wouldn't mind an additional body to add to the fray. Watching different quarterbacks at different levels of ability will give Chip Kelly the opportunity to choose the three best options for his roster. Don't be shocked to see three different guys with three different skill sets. Production is more important than style of play. I know we have been watching Andy Reid for a decade so we are used to the idea that the scheme is more important than the player, but Chip Kelly has proven time and time again to be an adaptable coach. He's not bound by the same stubbornness of Andy Reid. This is what everyone is failing to understand about Chip Kelly.
  • The eagles will trade down,and get one of those qb--if they draft a qb at all,trade someone,foles or vick---I see them drafting a big tackle,they need right tackle help period---or left if peters can not go---build in side out--stout--defense as well,or they could draft star from utah---

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