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NEW YORK (AP) -- Negotiations between the NHL and the locked-out players' association ended after nearly six hours Wednesday. Just as they did a night earlier, the sides agreed to get right back to the bargaining table.
Representatives for the owners and players will resume talks Thursday, marking the third straight day they will meet face-to-face. NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly and union special counsel Steve Fehr also met alone Saturday when in-person talks restarted for the first time since Oct. 18.
The sides met for a total of about 13 hours over Tuesday and Wednesday at an undisclosed location in New York. Neither the NHL nor the NHLPA made any immediate statements after talks ended Wednesday night.
On the 53rd day of the lockout, the sides discussed revenue sharing between teams and held talks on the "make-whole" provision, which involves the payment of player contracts that are already in effect.
Those hot-button topics are scheduled to be on Thursday's agenda, too.
Eight players were in attendance for Wednesday's talks, but a handful of players -- including Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby -- who took part Tuesday left New York to try to avoid an impending storm that brought snow to the area, the union said.
There was already common ground before negotiations began Tuesday. The players' union adhered to the league's request to keep the meeting location a secret. With no outside distractions, the sides talked from afternoon until night.
Once they broke for the day, neither side gave any hint of what was discussed or if progress was made, but both pointed to the next round of talks.
Steve Fehr met with Daly on Saturday, and neither provided many details of what was discussed, but both agreed that the meeting was productive.
Time is becoming a bigger factor every day a deal isn't reached. The lockout, which went into effect Sept. 16 after the previous collective bargaining agreement expired, has already forced the cancellation of 327 regular-season games -- including the New Year's Day outdoor Winter Classic in Michigan.
Whether any of the games that have been called off through Nov. 30 can be rescheduled if an agreement is made soon hasn't been determined. But the NHL has already said that a full 82-game season won't be played.
Back in October, the players' association responded to an NHL offer with three of its own, but all of those were quickly dismissed by the league -- leading to nearly three weeks without face-to-face discussions. Daly and Steve Fehr kept in regular contact by phone and agreed to meet last weekend.
Both sides have made proposals that included a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues.
The NHL has moved toward the players' side in the contentious issue of the "make-whole" provision and whose share of the economic pie that money will come from. But work will still need to be done to get an agreement.
Other core economic issues -- mainly the split of hockey-related revenue -- along with contract lengths, arbitration and free agency will also need to be agreed upon before a deal can be reached.
The players' association accepted a salary cap in the previous CBA, which wasn't reached until after the entire 2004-05 season was canceled because of a lockout. The union doesn't want to absorb the majority of concessions this time after the NHL recorded record revenue that exceeded 3 billion last season.
"The issues the players are concerned about remain the same," NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr said Tuesday. "The players haven't seen any need to go backward, given the history of the last negotiations and given the level of revenue increase since then. Player-contracting rights are very important to them.
"Before we have any agreement, both sides have to see everything on paper and make sure that they all understand it right. That's about all I can say about it at this stage. I don't want to prejudge or indicate that I have any particular impressions or expectations. That's what the meetings are for," he said.
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A letter from NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr to players was leaked on Friday. I won't go into all the boring details of the letter. What's important at this moment is to say the NHL believes the information in the letter was intentionally misleading. They feel it's proof that Fehr has been misleading players in an effort...
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Via NBC's ProHockeyTalk, it appears Donald Fehr's memorandum to the players following Thursday's meetings has leaked to the public. A rather ominous tone is palpable, but so too is Donald Fehr's hope that the two sides can come together and cross this significant divide.
The NHL and NHLPA are expected to negotiate throughout...
NEW YORK -- The NHL put the course of ongoing labor negotiations back in the hands of the players' association, and left union head Donald Fehr with "some things to consider" Friday night. The fourth straight day of negotiations provided few details, and the sides broke up in the early evening without knowing if they would reconvene later Friday, during the weekend...
NBC’s Pro Hockey Talk has obtained a copy of NHLPA head Donald Fehr’s memo to union members following Thursday’s CBA meetings in New York, the third consecutive day the two sides had met.
Unfortunately for players and fans, the letter, obtained by PHT from an unnamed NHL player, has a somewhat pessimistic tone and states “there is still a lot of work to be done.”
The meeting was scheduled to begin at 3:00pm and let's hope it lasts for at least a few hours.
NEW YORK -- The NHL and its players' union kept talking Wednesday, a day after they met for more than seven hours in an effort to end the nearly two-month-old hockey lockout. The sides negotiated on a new collective bargaining agreement past 10 p.m. Tuesday and immediately announced they would reconvene. They started up again at an undisclosed location, and were fully prepared...
NHL owners and players are back at the bargaining table for the second straight day.
The sides are talking at an undisclosed location, looking for a way to end the nearly two-month-old lockout.
The NHL and its players' association met for more than seven hours Tuesday in New York. Wednesday marked the 53rd day of the lockout. The sides are expected to discuss the ''...
You have to wonder if a deal is close to being done. Articles like this give me hope that we can salvage a NHL season.
Dan Oldfield, CBC Sports --- We've heard that the No. 2 guys in the NHL and the NHLPA, Bill Daly and Steve Fehr, held a "marathon" bargaining session this weekend. We also learned there are plans to bring the parties together for more formal talks...
Negotiations between the NHL and the locked out players' association are resuming for the second time in four days, with tempered optimism that the sides can reach a deal to rescue the hockey season.
After NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly and union special counsel Steve Fehr met alone for hours in a secret location Saturday, the sides got back together in larger groups Tuesday...
from Scott Burnside of ESPN,
Neither NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman nor NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr has distinguished himself thus far in terms of charting a course to a successful resolution to the current lockout of the NHL’s players.
Strategies on both sides have been at best curious and at worst deeply flawed.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Negotiations between the NHL and the locked out players' association are resuming for the second time in four days, with tempered optimism that the sides can reach a deal to rescue the hockey season.
After NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly and union special counsel Steve Fehr met alone for hours in a secret location Saturday, the sides got back together in larger...
NEW YORK (AP) No one on either side of the NHL labor fight stormed out of the room, broke off negotiations, or made inflammatory remarks as they left the building.
Quite the contrary, actually.
While negotiators for the league and the union declined to say whether significant progress was made on Day 54 of the lockout, owners and players agreed to return to the bargaining table...
At long last, the National Hockey League owners and players seem to be working toward resolving their labor dispute.Both sides have quit spewing fan-alienating rhetoric. Both sides have already proven their resolve and suffered massive economic losses, so perhaps it is finally time to quit posturing and get down to business.The NHL has already reaffirmed its Garage League status...